1 00:00:30,730 --> 00:00:28,750 archangels ghosts and Bigfoot oh my it's 2 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:30,740 just another night for Supernatural 3 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:33,890 girls real stories real answers to 4 00:00:38,799 --> 00:00:36,290 life's biggest supernatural mysteries 5 00:00:41,530 --> 00:00:38,809 and now for another exciting interview 6 00:00:44,290 --> 00:00:41,540 with Errol experts in this world and 7 00:00:47,319 --> 00:00:44,300 others here's your host paranormal 8 00:00:47,650 --> 00:00:47,329 researcher Patricia Baker on the one the 9 00:01:06,219 --> 00:00:47,660 only 10 00:01:09,710 --> 00:01:06,229 [Music] 11 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:09,720 welcome everyone to another very 12 00:01:14,660 --> 00:01:12,210 exciting show on Supernatural girls 13 00:01:15,950 --> 00:01:14,670 radio we are here and ready to go where 14 00:01:17,570 --> 00:01:15,960 do you hear what we have going on 15 00:01:19,460 --> 00:01:17,580 tonight you will not believe it 16 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:19,470 you are going to have to fasten your 17 00:01:24,410 --> 00:01:22,050 seat belts it's going to be a great show 18 00:01:28,450 --> 00:01:24,420 and a really great ride 19 00:01:31,340 --> 00:01:28,460 PK welcome how are you absolutely 20 00:01:34,580 --> 00:01:31,350 fabulous today I can't wait to get into 21 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:34,590 talking with Chris tonight I know it 22 00:01:39,980 --> 00:01:37,050 Chris moon is our guest he is the author 23 00:01:42,889 --> 00:01:39,990 of a book called ghost box and he's the 24 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:42,899 only one in the world that has this 25 00:01:46,669 --> 00:01:45,210 particular ghost box and we're going to 26 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:46,679 get into all the particulars with him 27 00:01:52,490 --> 00:01:50,130 very shortly but first you being a great 28 00:01:55,309 --> 00:01:52,500 numerologist Patricia Kirkman Patricia 29 00:01:56,990 --> 00:01:55,319 Kirkman calm I just want to mention that 30 00:01:58,639 --> 00:01:57,000 in case anybody needs to have a reading 31 00:02:01,730 --> 00:01:58,649 because we got all kinds of stuff going 32 00:02:03,410 --> 00:02:01,740 on in the world today we have people say 33 00:02:07,309 --> 00:02:03,420 at the end of the world in a couple days 34 00:02:08,930 --> 00:02:07,319 right the 23rd way of that I think 35 00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:08,940 they're paying too much attention to the 36 00:02:14,630 --> 00:02:12,930 fake news okay okay it's absolutely 37 00:02:17,059 --> 00:02:14,640 crazy the things that people will pick 38 00:02:20,630 --> 00:02:17,069 on it and think about it's bad enough 39 00:02:23,839 --> 00:02:20,640 when we're having the different things 40 00:02:26,660 --> 00:02:23,849 taking place between the ocean the world 41 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:26,670 everything there's something wrong 42 00:02:32,059 --> 00:02:29,610 everywhere nothing is put together we've 43 00:02:35,150 --> 00:02:32,069 got earthquakes we've got fires we've 44 00:02:39,650 --> 00:02:35,160 got volcanoes going through chaos we've 45 00:02:42,020 --> 00:02:39,660 got another storm that just hit for 46 00:02:44,570 --> 00:02:42,030 Tirico and it's just one thing after 47 00:02:46,250 --> 00:02:44,580 another I guess you could call that the 48 00:02:48,740 --> 00:02:46,260 coming at the end of the world because 49 00:02:51,229 --> 00:02:48,750 each to each group that is the end of 50 00:02:54,020 --> 00:02:51,239 their world yes it is you're right in 51 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:54,030 people's their houses and things like 52 00:02:58,729 --> 00:02:55,530 that and everything they own it's 53 00:03:01,220 --> 00:02:58,739 terrible so you're right but this it's a 54 00:03:04,490 --> 00:03:01,230 Christian numerology thing that I wrote 55 00:03:08,149 --> 00:03:04,500 about everything yeah okay don't buy the 56 00:03:11,630 --> 00:03:08,159 book okay we will not buy this all it is 57 00:03:12,540 --> 00:03:11,640 a fun we don't want think we only do the 58 00:03:14,460 --> 00:03:12,550 real deal here 59 00:03:15,690 --> 00:03:14,470 that's right but I wanted you to address 60 00:03:17,850 --> 00:03:15,700 it because it's flying around the 61 00:03:20,580 --> 00:03:17,860 internet and I wanted you to be able to 62 00:03:24,060 --> 00:03:20,590 say this is from your place about which 63 00:03:26,610 --> 00:03:24,070 is a numerologist excuse me when we talk 64 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:26,620 about the 23rd that's a sixth day which 65 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:28,090 is all about family family type 66 00:03:32,370 --> 00:03:30,850 situations and making things better for 67 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:32,380 the world at large and dealing with 68 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:34,330 alternative things I don't think that's 69 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:36,130 got what God had planned for the end of 70 00:03:41,420 --> 00:03:39,370 the world yeah okay okay laughs good 71 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:41,430 news we can all breathe a sigh of relief 72 00:03:46,860 --> 00:03:44,410 definitely make it past the 23rd okay 73 00:03:49,110 --> 00:03:46,870 and anything else we need to be aware of 74 00:03:51,780 --> 00:03:49,120 from those numbers everything coming up 75 00:03:55,050 --> 00:03:51,790 what's happening well actually we're 76 00:03:56,700 --> 00:03:55,060 still reviewing this entire year that's 77 00:03:58,950 --> 00:03:56,710 what this month is about for everybody 78 00:04:01,320 --> 00:03:58,960 and one of the things that today's all 79 00:04:05,700 --> 00:04:01,330 about all types of communication in a 80 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:05,710 lot of scary stupid things going on but 81 00:04:08,970 --> 00:04:07,090 a lot of good things that we could be to 82 00:04:10,740 --> 00:04:08,980 pay attention to well let's take a look 83 00:04:13,650 --> 00:04:10,750 at what was going on in Argentina that 84 00:04:15,930 --> 00:04:13,660 are not brought up that's right that's 85 00:04:18,090 --> 00:04:15,940 on our Facebook page everybody if you 86 00:04:20,220 --> 00:04:18,100 want to read it and see the photographs 87 00:04:23,340 --> 00:04:20,230 that's right don't cry for me Argentina 88 00:04:26,490 --> 00:04:23,350 there are UFO sightings going on down 89 00:04:29,940 --> 00:04:26,500 there and there are sightings of aliens 90 00:04:33,270 --> 00:04:29,950 pictures people are taking of aliens now 91 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:33,280 remember what simian Hein told us that 92 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:36,370 these South American countries have come 93 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:38,530 out and said yes we admit it the 94 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:40,090 government's have said yes we know 95 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:42,010 they're here we've had interactions with 96 00:04:45,930 --> 00:04:43,450 them our people have had interactions 97 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:45,940 with them why won't we come out in a 98 00:04:50,250 --> 00:04:48,210 bigger way because we are afraid from 99 00:04:53,820 --> 00:04:50,260 repercussions from the United States 100 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:53,830 government isn't that sad it's pathetic 101 00:04:59,220 --> 00:04:57,730 it really is gee wouldn't it feel bad to 102 00:05:01,020 --> 00:04:59,230 think that we're the only country that's 103 00:05:04,290 --> 00:05:01,030 not seeing any these things are being 104 00:05:10,460 --> 00:05:04,300 visited I mean everywhere I guess we're 105 00:05:18,270 --> 00:05:13,860 Loney we know it's baloney someplace 106 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:18,280 else but not here right exactly exactly 107 00:05:22,260 --> 00:05:20,770 well anyways please go to our Facebook 108 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:22,270 page you've got a lot of great stories 109 00:05:26,809 --> 00:05:25,090 on the Facebook page missa like follow 110 00:05:29,609 --> 00:05:26,819 us join us on twit 111 00:05:32,159 --> 00:05:29,619 sign up for the fringe files mm-hmm 112 00:05:34,259 --> 00:05:32,169 that's our newsletters yeah must sign up 113 00:05:38,069 --> 00:05:34,269 for that and again our website is super 114 00:05:42,149 --> 00:05:38,079 natural girls with a z.com and tonight 115 00:05:45,479 --> 00:05:42,159 we have I think the most exciting guest 116 00:05:47,609 --> 00:05:45,489 ever I have to agree with you 117 00:05:48,659 --> 00:05:47,619 yes don't you think I think so I think 118 00:05:51,689 --> 00:05:48,669 so too 119 00:05:55,259 --> 00:05:51,699 we're very fortunate grateful to have 120 00:05:57,299 --> 00:05:55,269 this guy on the show and he came in at 121 00:05:59,489 --> 00:05:57,309 the last second he was able to move his 122 00:06:02,069 --> 00:05:59,499 own plans around just to be with us we 123 00:06:04,829 --> 00:06:02,079 are so happy and honored to have him 124 00:06:07,859 --> 00:06:04,839 with us his name is Christopher moon and 125 00:06:10,889 --> 00:06:07,869 he has a new book out called Ghost Box 126 00:06:12,959 --> 00:06:10,899 in which he co-authored with his mom 127 00:06:15,059 --> 00:06:12,969 which is that's so cool I am that's 128 00:06:18,509 --> 00:06:15,069 extremely cool but let's say a little 129 00:06:22,109 --> 00:06:18,519 bit about Christopher's because he's a 130 00:06:23,849 --> 00:06:22,119 renowned physical an electronic psychic 131 00:06:26,429 --> 00:06:23,859 medium so he's also a psychic medium 132 00:06:28,889 --> 00:06:26,439 even without the Ghost Box and he's a 133 00:06:31,199 --> 00:06:28,899 paranormal researcher he is an educator 134 00:06:33,239 --> 00:06:31,209 and speaker and he's appeared on 135 00:06:36,119 --> 00:06:33,249 national television programs he's a star 136 00:06:38,219 --> 00:06:36,129 also such as it's been on the Today Show 137 00:06:40,619 --> 00:06:38,229 he's been on paranormal State Ghost 138 00:06:42,779 --> 00:06:40,629 Adventures door to the Dead most extreme 139 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:42,789 places to stay the Lizzie Borden house 140 00:06:49,350 --> 00:06:45,849 we're gonna be talking about that your 141 00:06:51,149 --> 00:06:49,360 Massachusetts and this is with us 142 00:06:53,249 --> 00:06:51,159 tonight we are gonna talk about this 143 00:06:55,769 --> 00:06:53,259 Ghost Box thing he's the only one in the 144 00:06:57,899 --> 00:06:55,779 world that has this ghost box we've got 145 00:06:59,879 --> 00:06:57,909 so much to hear about tonight Chris 146 00:07:02,219 --> 00:06:59,889 welcome to the show well thanks for 147 00:07:02,939 --> 00:07:02,229 having me I appreciate it it's our 148 00:07:05,909 --> 00:07:02,949 pleasure 149 00:07:07,649 --> 00:07:05,919 no personally hormoz please tell us 150 00:07:12,719 --> 00:07:07,659 things you've a long history of 151 00:07:14,879 --> 00:07:12,729 paranormal experiences very beginning of 152 00:07:16,649 --> 00:07:14,889 your life but tell us how did you get 153 00:07:19,649 --> 00:07:16,659 into this thing with a ghost box we 154 00:07:21,209 --> 00:07:19,659 found it fascinating yeah it's crazy I 155 00:07:22,769 --> 00:07:21,219 I'll give you the Reader's Digest 156 00:07:24,659 --> 00:07:22,779 version because I could go on for about 157 00:07:27,719 --> 00:07:24,669 three hours about the the story how it 158 00:07:31,169 --> 00:07:27,729 all came to be but yeah I I had my first 159 00:07:33,419 --> 00:07:31,179 experience at 7 years old and my father 160 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:33,429 was a skeptic and when I told him that I 161 00:07:36,869 --> 00:07:35,050 saw it goes to my room he basically told 162 00:07:40,259 --> 00:07:36,879 me the only ghost was the Holy Ghost and 163 00:07:40,530 --> 00:07:40,269 I spent the majority of my life trying 164 00:07:44,130 --> 00:07:40,540 to 165 00:07:46,380 --> 00:07:44,140 so became an amateur paranormal 166 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:46,390 investigator when I was about seven and 167 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:48,010 had a Polaroid camera and a Radio Shack 168 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:50,170 tape recorder and he used to go around 169 00:07:54,780 --> 00:07:51,250 and try to prove to him these things 170 00:08:03,320 --> 00:07:54,790 were real and lo and behold he convinced 171 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:03,330 me that I was crazy and I decided so I I 172 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:06,250 directed my my passion into music and I 173 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:08,170 started playing guitar very early on and 174 00:08:13,740 --> 00:08:10,930 was in bands very early on and at 8:16 175 00:08:15,300 --> 00:08:13,750 moved into a new house and actually had 176 00:08:16,530 --> 00:08:15,310 more paranormal experiences the night 177 00:08:19,230 --> 00:08:16,540 that we moved into this house and I had 178 00:08:20,730 --> 00:08:19,240 my life prior to that point so I had to 179 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:20,740 make a decision what I did with that and 180 00:08:24,990 --> 00:08:22,810 obviously I decided to move forward with 181 00:08:27,150 --> 00:08:25,000 the paranormal and I'd be in bands 182 00:08:29,190 --> 00:08:27,160 touring and I had actually while I was 183 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:29,200 on tour go ghost hunting and everybody 184 00:08:31,980 --> 00:08:30,490 thought I was crazy for doing it but 185 00:08:35,370 --> 00:08:31,990 they kept me out of trouble so they've 186 00:08:37,050 --> 00:08:35,380 been couraged it and I eventually had a 187 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:37,060 tour manager who was into the same stuff 188 00:08:41,250 --> 00:08:38,410 that I was we could go studying together 189 00:08:43,110 --> 00:08:41,260 and so when I retired from music we put 190 00:08:44,700 --> 00:08:43,120 together the first paranormal webzine 191 00:08:48,150 --> 00:08:44,710 which was ghost hunter magazine.com 192 00:08:49,860 --> 00:08:48,160 which was a lot of fun it was terrible 193 00:08:55,410 --> 00:08:49,870 looking but we were able to put all of 194 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:55,420 our there usually when I start out 195 00:08:58,410 --> 00:08:57,130 things I have no idea what I'm doing I 196 00:09:01,740 --> 00:08:58,420 just go for it and hope that it turns 197 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:01,750 out okay but you know this this magazine 198 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:03,130 got pretty big and it came out right 199 00:09:06,930 --> 00:09:04,330 around the same time as Ghost Hunters 200 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:06,940 and TV show and they kind of blew up and 201 00:09:12,870 --> 00:09:10,410 got big and and eventually opened up 202 00:09:15,510 --> 00:09:12,880 haunted Times magazine which was a print 203 00:09:18,780 --> 00:09:15,520 paranormal magazine and my partner and 204 00:09:21,180 --> 00:09:18,790 that was my father the skeptic so yeah 205 00:09:23,130 --> 00:09:21,190 he went in as the skeptic debunk me I 206 00:09:24,390 --> 00:09:23,140 went and as the you know the believer 207 00:09:26,700 --> 00:09:24,400 and the one who was going to prove that 208 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:26,710 was real and I guess I won because I 209 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:28,450 eventually was able to show him enough 210 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:30,610 proof that he he stood up at one of my 211 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:32,050 events and said you know what he's 212 00:09:36,900 --> 00:09:33,730 changed my entire view on the afterlife 213 00:09:38,610 --> 00:09:36,910 I have to I have to do but but when that 214 00:09:46,470 --> 00:09:38,620 happened I was stuck because I was like 215 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:46,480 now what do i do what's my new life Wow 216 00:09:51,180 --> 00:09:49,330 it was over at that point so now you 217 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:51,190 know I was too deep in at that point I 218 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:52,290 was already a 219 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:54,250 professional paranormal investigator 220 00:10:00,180 --> 00:09:57,490 psychic medium so yeah but I hold ghost 221 00:10:03,090 --> 00:10:00,190 tender universities which are the the 222 00:10:06,900 --> 00:10:03,100 first event of their kind basically back 223 00:10:08,310 --> 00:10:06,910 in 2003 we were doing investigations and 224 00:10:10,170 --> 00:10:08,320 the news was following us around and 225 00:10:11,790 --> 00:10:10,180 kind of watching what we were doing and 226 00:10:13,410 --> 00:10:11,800 what was happening is the public was 227 00:10:15,510 --> 00:10:13,420 actually calling in to the the 228 00:10:16,740 --> 00:10:15,520 bed-and-breakfasts and saying how do we 229 00:10:18,870 --> 00:10:16,750 become part of this how do we go on 230 00:10:22,170 --> 00:10:18,880 these investigations so we put together 231 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:22,180 this like quick class and a paranormal 232 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:24,490 investigation using the tools and it 233 00:10:27,780 --> 00:10:25,930 started out in one location and we've 234 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:27,790 literally been around the world doing 235 00:10:32,670 --> 00:10:29,050 these classes we still do them to this 236 00:10:36,060 --> 00:10:32,680 very day so and then of course I tour 237 00:10:38,340 --> 00:10:36,070 college campuses started in 2006 and 238 00:10:40,079 --> 00:10:38,350 usually do about in-between anywhere 239 00:10:43,230 --> 00:10:40,089 between about 20 and 30 campuses each 240 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:43,240 year and I get a lot yeah take them out 241 00:10:48,690 --> 00:10:45,250 on ghost hunts and and it's a lot of fun 242 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:48,700 we have a good time but the box yeah the 243 00:10:53,730 --> 00:10:51,970 box how did that all come to happen how 244 00:10:55,290 --> 00:10:53,740 did you find this thing 245 00:11:00,540 --> 00:10:55,300 well you know it kind of found me I 246 00:11:03,060 --> 00:11:00,550 guess it comes down to it yeah I I was 247 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:03,070 always a person who's fascinated with 248 00:11:08,310 --> 00:11:05,770 EVP electronic voice phenomena because 249 00:11:10,110 --> 00:11:08,320 you know as a medium I've been hearing 250 00:11:11,250 --> 00:11:10,120 things myself for a very long time but 251 00:11:14,100 --> 00:11:11,260 there was really no way to prove to 252 00:11:15,210 --> 00:11:14,110 anybody else what was being said so you 253 00:11:16,470 --> 00:11:15,220 know a lot of the times you become the 254 00:11:17,730 --> 00:11:16,480 crazy person when you're telling 255 00:11:18,930 --> 00:11:17,740 somebody hey you know if there's 256 00:11:23,340 --> 00:11:18,940 somebody in the corner who wants to talk 257 00:11:25,860 --> 00:11:23,350 to you they go yeah you're crazy so yeah 258 00:11:27,510 --> 00:11:25,870 I was always fascinated with the idea of 259 00:11:30,389 --> 00:11:27,520 actually interviewing spirits as crazy 260 00:11:32,030 --> 00:11:30,399 as that sounds and and just going in 261 00:11:34,290 --> 00:11:32,040 with respect I'd always say you know 262 00:11:36,269 --> 00:11:34,300 you'd see a lot of these things on TV 263 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:36,279 today where people yell and scream at 264 00:11:39,329 --> 00:11:37,810 the walls and things like that but I I 265 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:39,339 always thought the most important thing 266 00:11:43,110 --> 00:11:41,170 was to be as respectful as you possibly 267 00:11:44,940 --> 00:11:43,120 could be and you know treat them like 268 00:11:46,829 --> 00:11:44,950 people explain why you're there what 269 00:11:52,860 --> 00:11:46,839 you're doing and ask that they be kind 270 00:11:54,660 --> 00:11:52,870 enough to communicate with you why would 271 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:54,670 you go and start screaming I mean it 272 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:55,810 doesn't make sense that you're trying to 273 00:12:00,540 --> 00:11:57,370 develop a relationship so you can have a 274 00:12:03,990 --> 00:12:00,550 conversation right exactly exactly same 275 00:12:05,460 --> 00:12:04,000 idea so yeah that was my idea and and lo 276 00:12:07,290 --> 00:12:05,470 and behold I started getting a lot of 277 00:12:08,939 --> 00:12:07,300 recordings of spirits not just their 278 00:12:10,650 --> 00:12:08,949 voices but them actually answering our 279 00:12:13,889 --> 00:12:10,660 questions and things along those lines 280 00:12:16,439 --> 00:12:13,899 so I was known very early on as a 281 00:12:20,790 --> 00:12:16,449 quote-unquote EVP expert or specialist 282 00:12:21,929 --> 00:12:20,800 or whatever the case might be and I that 283 00:12:27,869 --> 00:12:21,939 the situation with Frank was just 284 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:27,879 bizarre everybody to get the books you 285 00:12:32,340 --> 00:12:30,250 get the full value of this relationship 286 00:12:34,439 --> 00:12:32,350 was so funny reading this is some great 287 00:12:36,929 --> 00:12:34,449 book and it's a lot of humor in it 288 00:12:38,730 --> 00:12:36,939 please tell us thank you yeah I was it 289 00:12:41,189 --> 00:12:38,740 was a crazy story I came to be with 290 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:41,199 Frank at all I'll leave the whole story 291 00:12:45,329 --> 00:12:42,810 for everybody to read the book but 292 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:45,339 essentially Frank got in touch with me 293 00:12:50,490 --> 00:12:48,250 and told me that I was a I was a lunatic 294 00:12:52,889 --> 00:12:50,500 for what I was doing I was making a fool 295 00:12:55,259 --> 00:12:52,899 out of myself by by being this EVP 296 00:12:58,530 --> 00:12:55,269 person and we got into this fight and 297 00:13:04,530 --> 00:12:58,540 fought for about three months over email 298 00:13:05,699 --> 00:13:04,540 flame war and actually my mother was the 299 00:13:07,170 --> 00:13:05,709 one who came to me and told me stop 300 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:07,180 fighting with that crazy man and I said 301 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:17,290 okay fine so we were going at it he was 302 00:13:22,889 --> 00:13:19,569 you know you're crazy and I'd say you're 303 00:13:24,780 --> 00:13:22,899 a jerk and we would just go back and I 304 00:13:26,819 --> 00:13:24,790 didn't know much about him though and 305 00:13:29,220 --> 00:13:26,829 and when my mom said you know let this 306 00:13:31,199 --> 00:13:29,230 crazy man go so I I wrote him back and 307 00:13:32,249 --> 00:13:31,209 email us at Frank you know you stay on 308 00:13:32,790 --> 00:13:32,259 your side of the street I'll stay on 309 00:13:34,740 --> 00:13:32,800 mine 310 00:13:36,420 --> 00:13:34,750 and he wrote me back another email which 311 00:13:38,759 --> 00:13:36,430 basically said you know you may wonder 312 00:13:40,470 --> 00:13:38,769 why I'm such an expert in this EVP it's 313 00:13:44,329 --> 00:13:40,480 because I've actually completed Thomas 314 00:13:47,579 --> 00:13:44,339 Edison's telephone to the dead and I 315 00:13:49,350 --> 00:13:47,589 yeah I I really laughed I really laughed 316 00:13:53,340 --> 00:13:49,360 out loud I was like you're near nuts 317 00:13:55,259 --> 00:13:53,350 there's no way possible and I said I'll 318 00:13:56,999 --> 00:13:55,269 fly to any location that you are in the 319 00:13:59,819 --> 00:13:57,009 world to see this thing work one time 320 00:14:01,740 --> 00:13:59,829 and the crazy thing about it was he was 321 00:14:06,389 --> 00:14:01,750 about 15 minutes from my office that 322 00:14:09,509 --> 00:14:06,399 entire time we yeah you gotta love the 323 00:14:13,199 --> 00:14:09,519 Internet so we we had fought for a long 324 00:14:15,660 --> 00:14:13,209 time for absolutely no reason and so we 325 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:15,670 decided to set up this formal meeting in 326 00:14:18,519 --> 00:14:17,050 the only place that you can obviously do 327 00:14:25,149 --> 00:14:18,529 that is the International House of Pain 328 00:14:26,859 --> 00:14:25,159 so yeah it's just so yeah my my father 329 00:14:29,289 --> 00:14:26,869 and I got on the suits in the briefcases 330 00:14:31,089 --> 00:14:29,299 the laptops and we drove out to IHOP and 331 00:14:33,219 --> 00:14:31,099 there was Frank in this little flannel 332 00:14:35,229 --> 00:14:33,229 shirt and this trucker's cap little tiny 333 00:14:37,569 --> 00:14:35,239 red ponytail coming out of the back and 334 00:14:40,599 --> 00:14:37,579 he thought we were the government coming 335 00:14:42,009 --> 00:14:40,609 to take him away at that point so you 336 00:14:43,899 --> 00:14:42,019 know once we convinced him that we 337 00:14:46,269 --> 00:14:43,909 weren't CIA or FBI or anything like that 338 00:14:49,149 --> 00:14:46,279 he actually sent out and pulled story 339 00:14:54,189 --> 00:14:49,159 about how it all came to be and that 340 00:14:56,019 --> 00:14:54,199 story was absolutely incredible so he he 341 00:14:58,629 --> 00:14:56,029 eventually invited us to come down to 342 00:15:01,269 --> 00:14:58,639 his his workshop and we did and it was 343 00:15:03,219 --> 00:15:01,279 the following weekend and he showed us 344 00:15:05,409 --> 00:15:03,229 this machine that was an old 1980s 345 00:15:06,789 --> 00:15:05,419 computer tower and it looked like 346 00:15:08,019 --> 00:15:06,799 somebody had torn it apart and rebuilt 347 00:15:09,729 --> 00:15:08,029 it put it back together with this little 348 00:15:12,069 --> 00:15:09,739 wood speaker sitting up on top of it and 349 00:15:13,329 --> 00:15:12,079 he flipped this thing on and it sounded 350 00:15:14,949 --> 00:15:13,339 like a broken radio it sounded like 351 00:15:16,299 --> 00:15:14,959 somebody was taking Radio downs tuning 352 00:15:18,309 --> 00:15:16,309 it back and forth back and forth 353 00:15:19,839 --> 00:15:18,319 and you know I thought this guy built a 354 00:15:22,119 --> 00:15:19,849 broken radio and he was talking to 355 00:15:26,949 --> 00:15:22,129 ghosts and aliens through it so I said 356 00:15:31,629 --> 00:15:26,959 we need to go try to get we we thought 357 00:15:34,149 --> 00:15:31,639 we were gonna get killed so we were 358 00:15:36,729 --> 00:15:34,159 leaving and he proceeded to tell me at 359 00:15:38,319 --> 00:15:36,739 that point that he was supposed to stay 360 00:15:39,339 --> 00:15:38,329 there the voices told him that he was 361 00:15:41,379 --> 00:15:39,349 supposed to stay there and build these 362 00:15:45,009 --> 00:15:41,389 things I was supposed to take it out and 363 00:15:46,269 --> 00:15:45,019 talk to ghosts and we probably stood 364 00:15:48,749 --> 00:15:46,279 there for five minutes just in the most 365 00:15:51,009 --> 00:15:48,759 awkward silence that's ever happened and 366 00:15:53,109 --> 00:15:51,019 finally grabbed the machine got out of 367 00:15:54,429 --> 00:15:53,119 there as fast as we could and that Frank 368 00:15:56,619 --> 00:15:54,439 just kind of trailed us all the way out 369 00:15:58,809 --> 00:15:56,629 all the way through the driveway but the 370 00:16:02,679 --> 00:15:58,819 machine sat on the shelf for it for a 371 00:16:05,619 --> 00:16:02,689 year and we'd laugh about give you the 372 00:16:07,839 --> 00:16:05,629 machine well the the voices voices told 373 00:16:09,009 --> 00:16:07,849 him that he was supposed to give me the 374 00:16:10,269 --> 00:16:09,019 machine because I was the guy who was 375 00:16:13,839 --> 00:16:10,279 gonna go take it out and talk to ghosts 376 00:16:16,539 --> 00:16:13,849 so I thought even later yeah I thought 377 00:16:18,939 --> 00:16:16,549 he was insane so yeah it's it's at there 378 00:16:21,849 --> 00:16:18,949 for a year and collected dust and we 379 00:16:23,559 --> 00:16:21,859 laugh about it and we had this huge 380 00:16:25,329 --> 00:16:23,569 investigation coming up at the Sallie 381 00:16:26,799 --> 00:16:25,339 house in Atchison Kansas which I don't 382 00:16:28,839 --> 00:16:26,809 know if everybody knows about the Sallie 383 00:16:31,990 --> 00:16:28,849 house but it's one of the most intense 384 00:16:34,030 --> 00:16:32,000 cases that's ever been in the paranormal 385 00:16:36,370 --> 00:16:34,040 there was a show called sightings that 386 00:16:39,550 --> 00:16:36,380 did 12 episodes on it and unsolved 387 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:39,560 mysteries its back in the 90s but anyway 388 00:16:43,690 --> 00:16:41,090 we were going back out there for a third 389 00:16:45,250 --> 00:16:43,700 investigation and one day I walked at 390 00:16:47,170 --> 00:16:45,260 the office and decided I was gonna prove 391 00:16:48,610 --> 00:16:47,180 to Frank it really didn't work before 392 00:16:49,060 --> 00:16:48,620 we're getting ready to shut down for the 393 00:16:50,850 --> 00:16:49,070 holidays 394 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:50,860 and I recorded an entire day of 395 00:16:54,580 --> 00:16:53,210 recordings off of this machine and I 396 00:16:56,860 --> 00:16:54,590 went back and listened to the recordings 397 00:16:58,390 --> 00:16:56,870 and as I'm listening to it I'm thinking 398 00:17:00,850 --> 00:16:58,400 about the case and all I hear is broken 399 00:17:02,410 --> 00:17:00,860 radio and all of a sudden it says is I'm 400 00:17:05,230 --> 00:17:02,420 shutting it down it says your trip to 401 00:17:06,610 --> 00:17:05,240 Atchison and I'm sitting in Denver 402 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:06,620 Colorado at this point which is a pretty 403 00:17:10,179 --> 00:17:08,329 big city and I'm thinking Atchison 404 00:17:13,809 --> 00:17:10,189 Kansas is a little tiny speck on the map 405 00:17:14,980 --> 00:17:13,819 and what's the probability of radio 406 00:17:18,250 --> 00:17:14,990 fragment that comes through and says 407 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:18,260 your trip to Atchison at that point so I 408 00:17:22,420 --> 00:17:20,329 rewound it and listened to it again and 409 00:17:23,980 --> 00:17:22,430 again it said your trip dad said and 410 00:17:27,550 --> 00:17:23,990 pretty some like mom you know that she 411 00:17:28,780 --> 00:17:27,560 comes running and so she listens to the 412 00:17:29,860 --> 00:17:28,790 recordings that I'm getting and she's 413 00:17:31,390 --> 00:17:29,870 hearing things that I'm hearing she's 414 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:31,400 pretty amazed by it but then all of a 415 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:32,570 sudden one thing comes through and it 416 00:17:37,690 --> 00:17:35,090 says iceboat just two words ice boat and 417 00:17:38,740 --> 00:17:37,700 nobody had known as long as I could 418 00:17:41,710 --> 00:17:38,750 remember she'd been having a waking 419 00:17:43,690 --> 00:17:41,720 nightmare about being on the Titanic and 420 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:43,700 drowning and trying to hold up these two 421 00:17:47,380 --> 00:17:45,290 children as she was drowning so that 422 00:17:49,030 --> 00:17:47,390 they wouldn't drown and it really 423 00:17:50,290 --> 00:17:49,040 resonated with her and we looked at each 424 00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:50,300 other said yeah there's something to 425 00:17:55,990 --> 00:17:53,360 this so long story short we were driving 426 00:18:00,160 --> 00:17:56,000 out to Atchison Kansas a few days later 427 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:00,170 and we were supposed to go it was early 428 00:18:02,230 --> 00:18:01,130 morning we're supposed to get there 429 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:02,240 during the daytime because you never 430 00:18:05,170 --> 00:18:03,890 want to go in this place at night with 431 00:18:06,490 --> 00:18:05,180 very few people you wanna make sure you 432 00:18:08,500 --> 00:18:06,500 have a huge team it's a pretty scary 433 00:18:10,990 --> 00:18:08,510 place and we had car trouble that day 434 00:18:13,300 --> 00:18:11,000 and ended up getting there at dusk so 435 00:18:15,550 --> 00:18:13,310 when we got to the place it was starting 436 00:18:16,900 --> 00:18:15,560 to get dark my mom was not moving she 437 00:18:18,340 --> 00:18:16,910 stayed firmly planted there but my 438 00:18:21,100 --> 00:18:18,350 father and I actually took the Machine 439 00:18:23,020 --> 00:18:21,110 up into the nursery and got it up into 440 00:18:25,390 --> 00:18:23,030 the nursery turned it on started making 441 00:18:27,850 --> 00:18:25,400 the broken radio sounds and I realized 442 00:18:29,230 --> 00:18:27,860 nobody had ever used this to communicate 443 00:18:29,740 --> 00:18:29,240 with spirits before if it even really 444 00:18:32,290 --> 00:18:29,750 worked 445 00:18:34,210 --> 00:18:32,300 so I started rambling like a lunatic I'm 446 00:18:36,430 --> 00:18:34,220 like oh if there's any ghost here please 447 00:18:38,590 --> 00:18:36,440 speak through this box the fray oh it's 448 00:18:41,350 --> 00:18:38,600 good thank you you know I'm going on and 449 00:18:44,690 --> 00:18:41,360 on my dad is just you know shaking his 450 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:47,310 last thing I said at that point was I 451 00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:51,730 said I said technicians assist and at 452 00:18:56,010 --> 00:18:54,130 that yeah just hit me 453 00:18:58,530 --> 00:18:56,020 technicians assist and we started 454 00:18:59,940 --> 00:18:58,540 walking out of the room and we got a 455 00:19:02,370 --> 00:18:59,950 couple of steps down and from behind 456 00:19:05,310 --> 00:19:02,380 somebody had turned that machine all the 457 00:19:08,250 --> 00:19:05,320 way up all the way up and it was just 458 00:19:09,810 --> 00:19:08,260 that white noise and my father and I 459 00:19:12,060 --> 00:19:09,820 both froze because we heard it at the 460 00:19:13,710 --> 00:19:12,070 same time I mean it felt like we stood 461 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:13,720 there for hours was five thirty Seconds 462 00:19:18,930 --> 00:19:16,570 but the most amazing thing after that 463 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:18,940 happened was you hear this male voice 464 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:20,290 come through the speaker of the machine 465 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:23,610 over the static and it says Sally listen 466 00:19:29,850 --> 00:19:27,370 now at this point the hairs on my body 467 00:19:31,980 --> 00:19:29,860 shot up I am hunched over freaking out 468 00:19:33,360 --> 00:19:31,990 and I see my father's reacting to it the 469 00:19:35,250 --> 00:19:33,370 same way he's hearing the same thing I 470 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:35,260 am but the most incredible thing that 471 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:37,050 happened was the little girl's voice 472 00:19:42,060 --> 00:19:39,730 that we captured dozens of times on open 473 00:19:44,490 --> 00:19:42,070 air EVP comes through the speakers the 474 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:44,500 machine this technician was actually 475 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:48,610 training her how to use the Machine and 476 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:50,410 yeah we stood there and listened for 477 00:19:54,270 --> 00:19:52,330 forever it was pitch black by the time 478 00:19:55,860 --> 00:19:54,280 we got outside but anyway we took all 479 00:19:57,120 --> 00:19:55,870 the recording equipment we had and 480 00:19:59,040 --> 00:19:57,130 pointed it directly at this machine and 481 00:20:01,710 --> 00:19:59,050 we collected about 15 years worth of EVP 482 00:20:03,450 --> 00:20:01,720 in three days that we were there and it 483 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:03,460 was incredible it was just amazing we 484 00:20:08,370 --> 00:20:05,410 truly had Thomas Edison's telephone to 485 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:08,380 the dead the problem that I had was is 486 00:20:12,330 --> 00:20:10,930 that I hadn't thought it out and I 487 00:20:14,010 --> 00:20:12,340 wanted to tell the world about it and 488 00:20:15,270 --> 00:20:14,020 made the mistake of starting to tell 489 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:15,280 radio shows and different people and 490 00:20:20,010 --> 00:20:16,890 they thought I was crazy so I went from 491 00:20:24,750 --> 00:20:20,020 respected EVP analyst to lunatic in 492 00:20:26,820 --> 00:20:24,760 about ten seconds and yeah well you tell 493 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:26,830 people you have a magic radio that 494 00:20:29,250 --> 00:20:28,090 brings through the voices of the dead 495 00:20:33,300 --> 00:20:29,260 people kind of look at you a little 496 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:33,310 funny so it was tough at first but the 497 00:20:35,910 --> 00:20:34,810 nice thing about it was is that people 498 00:20:37,260 --> 00:20:35,920 when they would come to my ghost under 499 00:20:38,940 --> 00:20:37,270 universities would actually be able to 500 00:20:40,290 --> 00:20:38,950 use the machine and they'd start 501 00:20:42,210 --> 00:20:40,300 speaking with spirits in the locations 502 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:42,220 you know Lizzie Borden and and people 503 00:20:45,870 --> 00:20:44,650 who died in these places and they were 504 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:45,880 always blown away by it but the one 505 00:20:49,470 --> 00:20:47,290 thing that would always happen was is 506 00:20:52,050 --> 00:20:49,480 that one of our attendees who was there 507 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:52,060 would hear one of their deceased loved 508 00:20:55,210 --> 00:20:53,650 ones come to the speaker the machine and 509 00:20:57,460 --> 00:20:55,220 they call out to them 510 00:20:58,690 --> 00:20:57,470 and I would say that's not why we're 511 00:21:00,280 --> 00:20:58,700 here and they would get really upset 512 00:21:01,810 --> 00:21:00,290 that's my grandma that's my dad this 513 00:21:04,300 --> 00:21:01,820 much and it wasn't that I was trying to 514 00:21:05,290 --> 00:21:04,310 meet me it's just that I didn't think 515 00:21:06,430 --> 00:21:05,300 that that's what the machine was 516 00:21:08,410 --> 00:21:06,440 supposed to be used for I thought it was 517 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:08,420 supposed to be used for solving crimes 518 00:21:12,220 --> 00:21:11,090 working on these cases you know realized 519 00:21:14,620 --> 00:21:12,230 what had happened in these things so 520 00:21:15,820 --> 00:21:14,630 long story short I was harassed by 521 00:21:17,050 --> 00:21:15,830 mediums through the years and they 522 00:21:18,700 --> 00:21:17,060 basically said you need to start using 523 00:21:20,020 --> 00:21:18,710 the machine to do readings for people 524 00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:20,030 because this is the greatest connection 525 00:21:23,530 --> 00:21:22,130 they could have and I wasn't interested 526 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:23,540 in doing it I just didn't think that 527 00:21:27,310 --> 00:21:25,090 that was the right way to go because 528 00:21:29,650 --> 00:21:27,320 psychic mediums had had such a bad 529 00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:29,660 stigma throughout the years you know we 530 00:21:33,850 --> 00:21:31,520 go back to the early spiritualism and 531 00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:33,860 the fake seances and things like that I 532 00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:36,080 was always I was very much in the closet 533 00:21:39,730 --> 00:21:37,760 about it because I didn't want people to 534 00:21:43,470 --> 00:21:39,740 look at me in that light so I kind of 535 00:21:46,150 --> 00:21:43,480 kept it to myself for the most part and 536 00:21:50,740 --> 00:21:46,160 eventually chip Coffey brought me out to 537 00:21:52,450 --> 00:21:50,750 the Savannah Ghost conference and ended 538 00:21:54,250 --> 00:21:52,460 up having me do a demonstration in front 539 00:21:56,380 --> 00:21:54,260 of a crowd where I was the first time I 540 00:21:57,460 --> 00:21:56,390 ever did readings for people and every 541 00:21:58,600 --> 00:21:57,470 single person who came to this 542 00:22:00,610 --> 00:21:58,610 conference got up in front of a 543 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:00,620 microphone and was able to hear their 544 00:22:03,370 --> 00:22:01,730 loved ones voice come through the 545 00:22:07,030 --> 00:22:03,380 speakers of this machine through the pod 546 00:22:08,500 --> 00:22:07,040 and the cause yeah it did they call it 547 00:22:10,780 --> 00:22:08,510 the Savannah experience you can still go 548 00:22:12,370 --> 00:22:10,790 online and read about it it was pretty 549 00:22:15,070 --> 00:22:12,380 it was amazing but when it was over with 550 00:22:16,300 --> 00:22:15,080 I was drained I felt terrible and chip 551 00:22:17,500 --> 00:22:16,310 came up to me and was basically like 552 00:22:18,550 --> 00:22:17,510 they're you ready to start doing these 553 00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:18,560 readings for people and I said 554 00:22:23,890 --> 00:22:21,520 absolutely not don't want to do it and 555 00:22:25,420 --> 00:22:23,900 ended up you kind of kind of get me to 556 00:22:27,790 --> 00:22:25,430 do it again in another conference in 557 00:22:28,990 --> 00:22:27,800 Colorado at the Stanley Hotel and I was 558 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:29,000 doing it for charity where people were 559 00:22:32,110 --> 00:22:30,650 getting up and getting raffle tickets to 560 00:22:35,710 --> 00:22:32,120 come up and speak with their loved ones 561 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:35,720 and just one thing led to another and 562 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:37,490 it's kind of a long story but I've been 563 00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:39,290 working with a very specific spirit 564 00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:40,880 technician for a long time I knew his 565 00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:43,280 name he told me the circumstances of his 566 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:45,440 passing here on earth all sorts of 567 00:22:48,670 --> 00:22:46,970 different things and I never talked to 568 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:48,680 anybody else about it because I thought 569 00:22:54,130 --> 00:22:51,290 who would really care but the amazing 570 00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:54,140 thing was yeah but we were I was doing 571 00:22:56,860 --> 00:22:55,280 these readings in this one when we got a 572 00:22:58,360 --> 00:22:56,870 raffle ticket she came forward she sat 573 00:23:00,490 --> 00:22:58,370 down in front of me we started talking 574 00:23:02,050 --> 00:23:00,500 back and forth and all of a sudden I 575 00:23:03,610 --> 00:23:02,060 looked at her and I said is your son's 576 00:23:06,190 --> 00:23:03,620 name and I told her the name and she 577 00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:06,200 went oh and I went oh we realized at 578 00:23:09,150 --> 00:23:07,360 this point the hearse 579 00:23:11,220 --> 00:23:09,160 had literally brought us together at 580 00:23:14,610 --> 00:23:11,230 that point and I think that that that 581 00:23:18,419 --> 00:23:14,620 was the moment the reality hit me of how 582 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:18,429 important this really was and I said you 583 00:23:22,169 --> 00:23:20,170 know I need to start doing readings for 584 00:23:24,780 --> 00:23:22,179 people so I did my very first private 585 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:24,790 reading the next day and I've literally 586 00:23:30,030 --> 00:23:27,850 done thousands of private readings all 587 00:23:31,799 --> 00:23:30,040 around the world and it's it's been 588 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:31,809 incredible so not only do ease it for 589 00:23:35,700 --> 00:23:34,090 paranormal investigations but we we use 590 00:23:37,260 --> 00:23:35,710 it for private readings and group 591 00:23:41,970 --> 00:23:37,270 readings and things like that it's 592 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:41,980 really incredible rewarding to be able 593 00:23:46,530 --> 00:23:44,890 to connect people with people who have 594 00:23:49,830 --> 00:23:46,540 passed I mean doesn't it give you a good 595 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:49,840 feeling inside oh yeah I mean yeah 596 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:51,610 there's nothing better there's 597 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:53,650 absolutely better I don't I don't use 598 00:23:59,460 --> 00:23:57,730 the machine for myself ever so I live 599 00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:59,470 vicariously through everybody else's 600 00:24:02,789 --> 00:24:00,880 readings through their connections and 601 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:02,799 the things that happened and they're 602 00:24:07,230 --> 00:24:04,450 still to this day I've never seen 603 00:24:10,110 --> 00:24:07,240 anything more amazing or 604 00:24:12,030 --> 00:24:10,120 earth-shattering then you know when you 605 00:24:13,020 --> 00:24:12,040 lose someone on this side and you don't 606 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:13,030 think you're ever going to hear that 607 00:24:17,310 --> 00:24:15,130 voice again until you cross it's gone 608 00:24:19,169 --> 00:24:17,320 that's it and then all of a sudden that 609 00:24:20,460 --> 00:24:19,179 name comes through or that voice comes 610 00:24:23,460 --> 00:24:20,470 through that the speakers of the machine 611 00:24:26,010 --> 00:24:23,470 - laughs whatever it is it changes 612 00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:26,020 people I I just did a reading last night 613 00:24:30,510 --> 00:24:29,049 for a lady and I could tell when we were 614 00:24:32,039 --> 00:24:30,520 there that you know and it's good to be 615 00:24:34,110 --> 00:24:32,049 skeptical don't get me wrong I'm a 616 00:24:35,220 --> 00:24:34,120 skeptic to a certain degree but I could 617 00:24:38,220 --> 00:24:35,230 tell she was kind of like yeah this is 618 00:24:42,210 --> 00:24:38,230 cool but I'm not sure maybe maybe not 619 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:42,220 and then she asked for a very specific s 620 00:24:46,020 --> 00:24:44,290 for her father to come through and he 621 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:46,030 came through right in his own voice and 622 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:48,250 I mean it her face went white the eyes 623 00:24:53,070 --> 00:24:50,290 opened up she goes that was him that was 624 00:24:55,620 --> 00:24:53,080 actually his voice and it was incredible 625 00:24:57,390 --> 00:24:55,630 to see her suddenly just fall into the 626 00:25:00,450 --> 00:24:57,400 session she actually became part of it 627 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:00,460 at that moment and that she's the way it 628 00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:02,890 goes but it's incredible 629 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:05,470 so it's so wonderful for so many people 630 00:25:10,830 --> 00:25:07,570 that you're able to help have this 631 00:25:14,580 --> 00:25:10,840 experience that's great are they able to 632 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:14,590 share information besides just hearing 633 00:25:20,450 --> 00:25:15,970 the voice of some type of information 634 00:25:23,509 --> 00:25:20,460 it's like my husband died at 37 and 635 00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:23,519 you know is there you know was there a 636 00:25:26,060 --> 00:25:25,049 message that I should have learned that 637 00:25:28,460 --> 00:25:26,070 I learned something 638 00:25:31,060 --> 00:25:28,470 have I not is there that kind of a 639 00:25:33,049 --> 00:25:31,070 connection yeah absolutely 640 00:25:34,730 --> 00:25:33,059 the thing I tell people when they go 641 00:25:36,529 --> 00:25:34,740 into a reading and and it sounds funny 642 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:36,539 when I first say it and I can see how it 643 00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:38,610 could be misconstrued I say that before 644 00:25:43,340 --> 00:25:40,529 I even get into it but I tell people 645 00:25:45,139 --> 00:25:43,350 when you go into these sessions try to 646 00:25:46,669 --> 00:25:45,149 think about that person concentrate on 647 00:25:47,930 --> 00:25:46,679 them tell them you don't have to say it 648 00:25:49,369 --> 00:25:47,940 out loud just in your mind say hey I 649 00:25:51,529 --> 00:25:49,379 really want to talk to you I want to 650 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:51,539 connect with you because that's the 651 00:25:54,980 --> 00:25:53,369 first way that you'll connect and then I 652 00:25:56,629 --> 00:25:54,990 also tell people when you go into the 653 00:25:58,519 --> 00:25:56,639 session treat it like a phone call 654 00:26:01,159 --> 00:25:58,529 imagine that this device that we're 655 00:26:03,950 --> 00:26:01,169 holding this box is a speakerphone and 656 00:26:05,539 --> 00:26:03,960 when we turn this thing on it's a very 657 00:26:07,310 --> 00:26:05,549 long distance connection but if you 658 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:07,320 treat it as a phone call you'll get 659 00:26:10,519 --> 00:26:09,330 their voice to come through the best 660 00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:10,529 results that ever happened or when 661 00:26:13,519 --> 00:26:13,049 people go into it and they say hi how 662 00:26:14,989 --> 00:26:13,529 are you 663 00:26:16,519 --> 00:26:14,999 whatever they would normally say on the 664 00:26:18,430 --> 00:26:16,529 phone that's when they'll get that 665 00:26:20,690 --> 00:26:18,440 confirmation right then and there and 666 00:26:22,430 --> 00:26:20,700 the people who have trouble with it are 667 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:22,440 the very skeptical people and when they 668 00:26:26,690 --> 00:26:23,970 go in and they have a list of 30 669 00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:26,700 questions you know the qualifying 670 00:26:30,739 --> 00:26:29,039 questions that they go into spirit 671 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:30,749 doesn't care about that they do not care 672 00:26:33,379 --> 00:26:32,129 about the questions that you have they 673 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:33,389 have something that they want to tell 674 00:26:38,180 --> 00:26:35,970 you so it's funny because my sessions 675 00:26:39,710 --> 00:26:38,190 are 20 minutes when I do them and you'll 676 00:26:41,690 --> 00:26:39,720 see these skeptical people who come in 677 00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:41,700 for the first 18 minutes and they fight 678 00:26:44,539 --> 00:26:43,200 fight fight the entire way and they're 679 00:26:46,129 --> 00:26:44,549 ignoring everything that comes through 680 00:26:48,379 --> 00:26:46,139 and then all of a sudden they'll hear 681 00:26:49,820 --> 00:26:48,389 that voice they'll go ha wait that was 682 00:26:55,310 --> 00:26:49,830 them and I'll say yeah and we have two 683 00:26:58,460 --> 00:26:55,320 minutes left now yeah oh yeah you want 684 00:27:00,980 --> 00:26:58,470 it to be so hard on the situation and 685 00:27:02,659 --> 00:27:00,990 and that's the thing so when you go into 686 00:27:04,609 --> 00:27:02,669 with that that open mind when you go 687 00:27:06,889 --> 00:27:04,619 into it with just saying hi how are you 688 00:27:08,690 --> 00:27:06,899 how are you doing you okay and they let 689 00:27:10,580 --> 00:27:08,700 them talk to you they will give you 690 00:27:11,989 --> 00:27:10,590 information about you know things that 691 00:27:13,789 --> 00:27:11,999 have happened during their lifetime 692 00:27:15,950 --> 00:27:13,799 where they are now the things that 693 00:27:17,330 --> 00:27:15,960 they've learned how they've grown the 694 00:27:19,539 --> 00:27:17,340 things that they see for you and what 695 00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:19,549 they've watched over time you know it's 696 00:27:24,100 --> 00:27:21,840 you can get a lot of information and 697 00:27:26,299 --> 00:27:24,110 then oh yeah 698 00:27:27,769 --> 00:27:26,309 yeah it's funny because people see the 699 00:27:29,810 --> 00:27:27,779 20 minutes they go 20 minutes that's all 700 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:29,820 I said 20 minutes is it will change your 701 00:27:34,259 --> 00:27:33,210 entire life I guarantee you because the 702 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:34,269 majority of the time when you 703 00:27:38,039 --> 00:27:36,369 you want to speak to one specific person 704 00:27:39,810 --> 00:27:38,049 you'll have your whole family come 705 00:27:41,159 --> 00:27:39,820 through you'll hear all their voices and 706 00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:41,169 it becomes a family reunion it's 707 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:43,289 incredible 708 00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:48,129 now you asked for protection also with 709 00:27:51,749 --> 00:27:49,929 your the people that you work with on 710 00:27:53,609 --> 00:27:51,759 your own spirit team right so that 711 00:27:54,869 --> 00:27:53,619 because there are other entities that 712 00:27:56,459 --> 00:27:54,879 come through and they may try to trick 713 00:27:58,349 --> 00:27:56,469 you and tell you there's this or than 714 00:28:00,709 --> 00:27:58,359 that and they're not and so how does 715 00:28:02,879 --> 00:28:00,719 that work how does your protection work 716 00:28:04,979 --> 00:28:02,889 well I think everybody has a different 717 00:28:06,959 --> 00:28:04,989 way to protect themselves you know I 718 00:28:09,180 --> 00:28:06,969 have my own methods as far as grounding 719 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:09,190 goes that I do myself which is just a 720 00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:12,369 visualization exercise where I see a 721 00:28:15,479 --> 00:28:14,320 beam of light basically coming down 722 00:28:16,589 --> 00:28:15,489 through the heavens and it goes through 723 00:28:18,239 --> 00:28:16,599 the center of my head all the way 724 00:28:20,639 --> 00:28:18,249 through my body goes down through my 725 00:28:23,459 --> 00:28:20,649 feet and then actually routes me into 726 00:28:24,930 --> 00:28:23,469 the ground like a tree and I always do 727 00:28:27,479 --> 00:28:24,940 that before I go into any kind of 728 00:28:29,159 --> 00:28:27,489 Investigation or Ghost Box session and 729 00:28:30,810 --> 00:28:29,169 then I always clear myself afterwards as 730 00:28:32,489 --> 00:28:30,820 well I try to get rid of the energy 731 00:28:33,899 --> 00:28:32,499 that's on me no matter if it's positive 732 00:28:36,739 --> 00:28:33,909 or negative it's just never good to 733 00:28:39,719 --> 00:28:36,749 carry with you after after that point 734 00:28:42,649 --> 00:28:39,729 but I'm also very fortunate that with 735 00:28:45,869 --> 00:28:42,659 the Box I actually have my own team 736 00:28:46,949 --> 00:28:45,879 which I call the technicians and I have 737 00:28:49,649 --> 00:28:46,959 an interesting story I'd like to tell 738 00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:49,659 you about that too actually but but the 739 00:28:54,690 --> 00:28:52,809 the spirit technicians they really they 740 00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:54,700 say that they see things from the top of 741 00:28:57,569 --> 00:28:56,320 the mountain so sometimes when I think 742 00:29:00,089 --> 00:28:57,579 that I'm dealing with something on a 743 00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:00,099 specific level that human ego kicks in 744 00:29:03,479 --> 00:29:02,529 it's just a natural thing you know when 745 00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:03,489 you think you're dealing with a child 746 00:29:07,199 --> 00:29:05,200 but it might be a demonic entity that 747 00:29:08,669 --> 00:29:07,209 they will shut the device down if they 748 00:29:10,379 --> 00:29:08,679 feel that you're in danger they'll 749 00:29:13,049 --> 00:29:10,389 actually drain the battery or you'll 750 00:29:14,069 --> 00:29:13,059 watch the switch flip and it'll just 751 00:29:16,739 --> 00:29:14,079 turn it off right there 752 00:29:18,299 --> 00:29:16,749 um so it's almost like having parents 753 00:29:21,389 --> 00:29:18,309 that are there to make sure that you're 754 00:29:24,089 --> 00:29:21,399 doing it the right way yeah yeah good 755 00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:24,099 spirits but you know I always thought it 756 00:29:28,889 --> 00:29:27,369 was the craziest thing when I would say 757 00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:28,899 technician why technicians that just 758 00:29:32,569 --> 00:29:29,919 doesn't make sense to me but it's the 759 00:29:35,489 --> 00:29:32,579 one thing that hit me they came through 760 00:29:36,989 --> 00:29:35,499 at the very beginning now just hold that 761 00:29:40,139 --> 00:29:36,999 thought cuz we want to hear more because 762 00:29:41,849 --> 00:29:40,149 we know you have a whole big story on 763 00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:41,859 the technicians and we want more of that 764 00:29:46,139 --> 00:29:44,710 but we are coming to the top of the hour 765 00:29:48,150 --> 00:29:46,149 so we're gonna take a very short 766 00:29:50,610 --> 00:29:48,160 commercial break if you've got a class 767 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:50,620 for Chris you can type it in right in 768 00:29:58,920 --> 00:29:53,050 the chat room we will offer it for on 769 00:30:04,440 --> 00:29:58,930 your behalf and that is WWI RN chat comm 770 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:04,450 irn chat comm and again we are speaking 771 00:30:08,940 --> 00:30:06,970 with Christopher moon tonight and he is 772 00:30:11,220 --> 00:30:08,950 the author of a great book that you've 773 00:30:13,380 --> 00:30:11,230 got to run out and get you will not be 774 00:30:17,130 --> 00:30:13,390 sorry you made this investment there it 775 00:30:21,570 --> 00:30:17,140 is yes ghost box ghost box and it's 776 00:30:24,750 --> 00:30:21,580 fabulous it is I loved it it's funny 777 00:30:25,470 --> 00:30:24,760 it's sad it's touching it's everything 778 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:25,480 you want 779 00:30:31,020 --> 00:30:28,210 so anyways ghost box is the name of the 780 00:30:32,730 --> 00:30:31,030 book and we will be right back you're 781 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:32,740 listening to Supernatural girls radio 782 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:35,410 Baker I am here with my co-host Patricia 783 00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:37,930 Kirkman the famous pk 784 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:42,640 and we are speaking we are speaking with 785 00:30:47,220 --> 00:30:45,130 a terrific yes tonight Christopher moon 786 00:30:49,950 --> 00:30:47,230 he is the author of a great book you 787 00:30:51,630 --> 00:30:49,960 must get called Ghost Box yes we're 788 00:30:54,420 --> 00:30:51,640 talking about spirit technicians but 789 00:30:56,550 --> 00:30:54,430 before we go to spirit technicians there 790 00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:56,560 is a question from Dark Knight and Dark 791 00:31:00,930 --> 00:30:58,210 Knight wants to know how many years 792 00:31:03,510 --> 00:31:00,940 Chris have you been doing this yeah I 793 00:31:05,070 --> 00:31:03,520 I'm not sure which portion he's talking 794 00:31:08,940 --> 00:31:05,080 about I assume we're talking about the 795 00:31:10,590 --> 00:31:08,950 box with the Ghost Box yeah as far as 796 00:31:13,980 --> 00:31:10,600 back as we can tell right now it looks 797 00:31:17,090 --> 00:31:13,990 like mm late 2003 early 2004 is when the 798 00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:17,100 first contact was made with Frank so 799 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:19,840 about a year later I went out there like 800 00:31:23,130 --> 00:31:21,610 I said we'd sat on the shelf for about a 801 00:31:25,950 --> 00:31:23,140 year collecting dust but we took it out 802 00:31:27,690 --> 00:31:25,960 there very early on to the Sallie house 803 00:31:31,260 --> 00:31:27,700 and realized we could actually speak to 804 00:31:33,870 --> 00:31:31,270 spirits amazing now tell us all about 805 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:33,880 the spirit technician connection this is 806 00:31:40,860 --> 00:31:37,090 a good one yes as far as the technicians 807 00:31:43,740 --> 00:31:40,870 yeah yes that you came upon this okay 808 00:31:46,190 --> 00:31:43,750 yeah this was the craziest thing I say 809 00:31:49,230 --> 00:31:46,200 the craziest thing it's all crazy really 810 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:49,240 it you know I sometimes I have to do 811 00:31:52,020 --> 00:31:50,890 that seriously with myself I start 812 00:31:54,030 --> 00:31:52,030 listening to the things that I'm saying 813 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:54,040 is this really happening there's not a 814 00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:56,050 morning there's not a morning that I 815 00:32:01,200 --> 00:31:58,570 don't wake up and go okay wait a minute 816 00:32:02,250 --> 00:32:01,210 are you crazy or is this real and then I 817 00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:02,260 I kind of had 818 00:32:05,250 --> 00:32:03,760 you know work through that process and 819 00:32:07,220 --> 00:32:05,260 then something happens synchronistic and 820 00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:07,230 I go okay I'm supposed to do this but 821 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:11,440 yeah I know it sounds nuts I I do so I 822 00:32:15,060 --> 00:32:13,210 realized very early on like I said the 823 00:32:17,250 --> 00:32:15,070 first time I said the technicians assist 824 00:32:19,860 --> 00:32:17,260 thing I had no idea what that even meant 825 00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:19,870 and we start first sort of hurrying the 826 00:32:24,570 --> 00:32:21,760 voices of these spirit guides come 827 00:32:26,700 --> 00:32:24,580 through the device I made the assumption 828 00:32:29,370 --> 00:32:26,710 at that point that they were just you 829 00:32:30,659 --> 00:32:29,380 know these random guides or angels that 830 00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:30,669 were out there doing this but I later 831 00:32:35,250 --> 00:32:33,519 found out in speaking to them that 832 00:32:37,379 --> 00:32:35,260 they've always worked specifically on 833 00:32:40,529 --> 00:32:37,389 this project in developing it and 834 00:32:41,940 --> 00:32:40,539 working on it and I know as crazy as it 835 00:32:43,289 --> 00:32:41,950 sounds Thomas Edison is still very much 836 00:32:46,289 --> 00:32:43,299 in charge of putting this whole thing 837 00:32:48,330 --> 00:32:46,299 together and he comes to the device on a 838 00:32:49,500 --> 00:32:48,340 consistent basis but we talked about 839 00:32:52,019 --> 00:32:49,510 these different entities that are out 840 00:32:53,580 --> 00:32:52,029 there we're not talking about strictly 841 00:32:55,169 --> 00:32:53,590 people who've lived on earth and passed 842 00:32:57,930 --> 00:32:55,179 away and moved on to the other side or 843 00:32:59,279 --> 00:32:57,940 even what would you consider standard 844 00:33:00,600 --> 00:32:59,289 spirit guides that are over there 845 00:33:03,899 --> 00:33:00,610 there's a lot of interdimensional 846 00:33:06,180 --> 00:33:03,909 creatures that are out there that I 847 00:33:07,139 --> 00:33:06,190 don't think will ever fully at least I 848 00:33:10,019 --> 00:33:07,149 don't feel like I'll ever fully 849 00:33:12,539 --> 00:33:10,029 understand exactly where they are on the 850 00:33:14,490 --> 00:33:12,549 quantum physics ladder on the string 851 00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:14,500 theory idea but they're they're out 852 00:33:18,539 --> 00:33:16,240 there working on the project just as 853 00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:18,549 much as terrestrial entities would be 854 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:22,809 and I really found it to be this 855 00:33:26,490 --> 00:33:24,730 fascinating group that's been over there 856 00:33:29,129 --> 00:33:26,500 literally hundreds if not thousands of 857 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:29,139 them that I work with and you know I 858 00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:31,090 always ask for the name to come through 859 00:33:35,879 --> 00:33:34,000 to begin with who you know technicians 860 00:33:37,500 --> 00:33:35,889 assist and I wait and I say and who's 861 00:33:38,820 --> 00:33:37,510 with us today and we'll get different 862 00:33:40,860 --> 00:33:38,830 names that will come in some that make 863 00:33:43,470 --> 00:33:40,870 sense some that are very exotic sounding 864 00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:43,480 some that make no sense whatsoever but 865 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:44,559 the thing that a lot of people don't 866 00:33:48,930 --> 00:33:46,570 know is that I'm not really listening 867 00:33:50,370 --> 00:33:48,940 for the name it's great to have the name 868 00:33:52,740 --> 00:33:50,380 and know that but there's a very 869 00:33:55,740 --> 00:33:52,750 specific tone of frequency that comes 870 00:33:57,810 --> 00:33:55,750 through that I hear when I know that 871 00:34:00,240 --> 00:33:57,820 it's my team my technician team and 872 00:34:01,649 --> 00:34:00,250 that's when I know to move forward and I 873 00:34:03,049 --> 00:34:01,659 don't even really talk about that a lot 874 00:34:05,789 --> 00:34:03,059 I'm kind of revealing that on this show 875 00:34:07,889 --> 00:34:05,799 it's a it's a tone more than anything 876 00:34:11,490 --> 00:34:07,899 else and that's how I know I can move 877 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:13,619 that's a very important piece of 878 00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:16,690 information of how you get that feeling 879 00:34:21,180 --> 00:34:19,599 to go ahead and it's safe and it's okay 880 00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:21,190 yeah and that's the only way to move 881 00:34:25,470 --> 00:34:24,310 forward with it at that point so yeah I 882 00:34:27,240 --> 00:34:25,480 deal with a lot of different 883 00:34:30,780 --> 00:34:27,250 personalities a lot of different spirit 884 00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:30,790 that's on the other side but you know 885 00:34:35,070 --> 00:34:32,800 that the tone is really what makes the 886 00:34:36,570 --> 00:34:35,080 difference so even then like I said I've 887 00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:36,580 always had to kind of check myself and 888 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:37,599 say you know are you really deal with 889 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:39,490 these enemies maybe just one who's kind 890 00:34:42,419 --> 00:34:41,290 of changing things around and making you 891 00:34:43,859 --> 00:34:42,429 feel like there's more out there I 892 00:34:45,659 --> 00:34:43,869 always question these things it's always 893 00:34:48,450 --> 00:34:45,669 my skeptic mind that that's that's 894 00:34:51,919 --> 00:34:48,460 running and something happened very 895 00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:51,929 recently I joined an ITC group on 896 00:34:55,770 --> 00:34:54,159 Facebook and that's something I don't do 897 00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:55,780 a lot I don't really work with a lot of 898 00:35:00,030 --> 00:34:57,760 other people who do this type of 899 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:00,040 research because it's a very competitive 900 00:35:04,109 --> 00:35:02,050 and it's a little little rude from 901 00:35:05,790 --> 00:35:04,119 time-to-time field but for some reason I 902 00:35:08,070 --> 00:35:05,800 felt drawn to this specific person in 903 00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:08,080 this group and what they were doing is 904 00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:10,660 actually posting up different things on 905 00:35:18,750 --> 00:35:14,320 there as far as historical facts like a 906 00:35:20,130 --> 00:35:18,760 lot of things that had to do with the 907 00:35:25,410 --> 00:35:20,140 ITC experiments that have been done 908 00:35:26,670 --> 00:35:25,420 through the years and there was a story 909 00:35:29,220 --> 00:35:26,680 in there that I had never heard before 910 00:35:31,770 --> 00:35:29,230 about a man and woman who had actually 911 00:35:33,839 --> 00:35:31,780 done research in the early 1980s using 912 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:33,849 radios to communicate with spirits on 913 00:35:37,380 --> 00:35:35,770 the other side and of course when I saw 914 00:35:39,630 --> 00:35:37,390 this I was fascinated oh I got to read 915 00:35:41,070 --> 00:35:39,640 this so the the fascinating thing that 916 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:41,080 came out of this for me was as they 917 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:42,130 started communicating with different 918 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:43,930 voices that were coming through randomly 919 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:46,810 but they said that there was one voice 920 00:35:50,130 --> 00:35:48,490 that was all through always over the top 921 00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:50,140 of the other voices and they said well 922 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:53,710 who are you and it said I'm the one who 923 00:35:57,240 --> 00:35:55,570 connects the bridge I'm the one who 924 00:36:02,880 --> 00:35:57,250 protects you as you go across the bridge 925 00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:02,890 you can call me technician ah isn't that 926 00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:06,250 something it all snapped together for me 927 00:36:11,820 --> 00:36:08,320 I went that's incredible that's 928 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:11,830 absolutely amazing so I that was my 929 00:36:15,630 --> 00:36:13,570 validation at that point that told me 930 00:36:17,579 --> 00:36:15,640 okay there really is something something 931 00:36:19,230 --> 00:36:17,589 to this even though we've been doing it 932 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:19,240 for years I said okay now I could say 933 00:36:24,930 --> 00:36:20,530 for sure that this is really happening 934 00:36:26,970 --> 00:36:24,940 so that was really nice to hear 935 00:36:28,590 --> 00:36:26,980 I've had validation through the years 936 00:36:30,270 --> 00:36:28,600 amazing things that have come through 937 00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:30,280 you mentioned I think we're talking off 938 00:36:34,020 --> 00:36:31,510 air a little bit about the skull 939 00:36:36,690 --> 00:36:34,030 experiment yes you mentioned the skull 940 00:36:42,420 --> 00:36:36,700 experiment and I had never read that 941 00:36:43,860 --> 00:36:42,430 book until fairly recently and for 942 00:36:47,220 --> 00:36:43,870 people who don't know what the skull 943 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:47,230 experiment was is basically a group of 944 00:36:51,780 --> 00:36:49,210 scientists and psychics who got together 945 00:36:53,580 --> 00:36:51,790 in school England to either prove or 946 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:53,590 disprove once and for all that psychic 947 00:36:58,500 --> 00:36:55,450 phenomena was real and that was the 948 00:36:59,970 --> 00:36:58,510 whole idea back behind it and a lot of 949 00:37:01,440 --> 00:36:59,980 amazing things happened during that time 950 00:37:04,650 --> 00:37:01,450 but one thing that was really 951 00:37:06,810 --> 00:37:04,660 significant was they were using thirty 952 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:06,820 five millimeter film and it was in 953 00:37:10,260 --> 00:37:08,770 sealed containers and when they would do 954 00:37:14,460 --> 00:37:10,270 their experiments they would open these 955 00:37:16,260 --> 00:37:14,470 unsealed or completely sealed film 956 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:16,270 canisters up and they would open these 957 00:37:19,260 --> 00:37:17,530 things up and look at them and there be 958 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:19,270 all sorts of writings and drawings and 959 00:37:24,450 --> 00:37:21,370 amazing signatures and and things on 960 00:37:25,590 --> 00:37:24,460 these film so one of the main 961 00:37:27,630 --> 00:37:25,600 contributors who was coming through 962 00:37:31,290 --> 00:37:27,640 during this time was Thomas Edison yeah 963 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:31,300 I had no idea that that this was the 964 00:37:34,620 --> 00:37:32,770 case well one of my students actually 965 00:37:36,180 --> 00:37:34,630 made me aware made me read the book and 966 00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:36,190 there's a section in there that talks 967 00:37:40,110 --> 00:37:38,110 about Thomas Edison coming through one 968 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:40,120 of the psychics and on one of these 969 00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:43,090 containers stating that he was going to 970 00:37:48,330 --> 00:37:44,710 complete his telephone to the dead using 971 00:37:49,380 --> 00:37:48,340 a physical medium Frank and that there 972 00:37:50,610 --> 00:37:49,390 was going to be another man who was 973 00:37:52,980 --> 00:37:50,620 going to take it out and show the world 974 00:37:55,020 --> 00:37:52,990 this machine and showed that spirit 975 00:37:58,260 --> 00:37:55,030 reality or spirit communication was a 976 00:38:00,330 --> 00:37:58,270 reality and I realized that's me and and 977 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:00,340 it was like reading your own history I 978 00:38:04,380 --> 00:38:02,290 want this is absolutely amazing this has 979 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:04,390 all been planned long before we ever had 980 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:06,850 any idea and there's a big team over 981 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:08,410 there we've had Robin Foy the lead 982 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:10,330 medium for the skull experiment on the 983 00:38:15,660 --> 00:38:12,850 show several times and it's a great guys 984 00:38:18,090 --> 00:38:15,670 now a friend of ours it's amazing and 985 00:38:19,980 --> 00:38:18,100 and for people who would like to see 986 00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:19,990 exactly see what they've done they can 987 00:38:23,820 --> 00:38:21,520 either read Robins book which is 988 00:38:25,740 --> 00:38:23,830 witnessing the impossible or they can 989 00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:25,750 watch a video on YouTube it's a 990 00:38:30,210 --> 00:38:28,110 full-length movie called the afterlife 991 00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:30,220 investigations which will show 992 00:38:34,530 --> 00:38:32,800 everything that they've done but we got 993 00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:34,540 a scoop from him last time so if you 994 00:38:38,070 --> 00:38:36,160 want to go back and listen to a show to 995 00:38:40,380 --> 00:38:38,080 find out why it ended 996 00:38:45,390 --> 00:38:40,390 we were the only ones to find out why it 997 00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:45,400 ended a fascinating story from Robin you 998 00:38:48,660 --> 00:38:47,110 got to hear that and we got to have him 999 00:38:50,460 --> 00:38:48,670 back on maybe we'll have the two of you 1000 00:38:53,730 --> 00:38:50,470 on together that would that would be fun 1001 00:38:57,570 --> 00:38:53,740 that was yes yeah because they are now 1002 00:39:00,030 --> 00:38:57,580 starting to sit again over in Europe so 1003 00:39:01,470 --> 00:39:00,040 we're gonna have to find some way to 1004 00:39:04,740 --> 00:39:01,480 bring all this together it's very 1005 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:04,750 powerful what's happening now if if 1006 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:06,130 they're starting to do that again I 1007 00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:08,170 would like to be a part of that I'd like 1008 00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:09,760 to take the machine to be a part of that 1009 00:39:15,450 --> 00:39:11,920 yeah well we're gonna put you guys 1010 00:39:17,130 --> 00:39:15,460 together for sure it'll be fun now I 1011 00:39:18,990 --> 00:39:17,140 know people wanted to call in so I 1012 00:39:22,050 --> 00:39:19,000 wanted to give the number out which is 1013 00:39:24,210 --> 00:39:22,060 eight eight eight nine one nine two 1014 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:24,220 three five five again that phone number 1015 00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:25,930 to call in if you want to talk with 1016 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:28,960 Chris is eight eight eight nine one nine 1017 00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:32,050 two three five five and if you'd rather 1018 00:39:38,340 --> 00:39:33,520 you can write your question in the chat 1019 00:39:43,170 --> 00:39:38,350 room which is I are in chat comm irn 1020 00:39:45,470 --> 00:39:43,180 chat comm well this is you know this is 1021 00:39:47,700 --> 00:39:45,480 you're in the right place Chris because 1022 00:39:49,410 --> 00:39:47,710 supernatural girls is where paranormal 1023 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:49,420 is normal so we don't think of any of 1024 00:39:54,750 --> 00:39:51,850 this is crazy to us this is everyday 1025 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:54,760 life this is how it really is so just 1026 00:39:58,170 --> 00:39:56,530 come to the right place talking to the 1027 00:40:00,330 --> 00:39:58,180 right people in our audience I know 1028 00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:00,340 they're all right with us in the same 1029 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:02,110 place that's good to know 1030 00:40:06,330 --> 00:40:04,450 now in your book you have so many 1031 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:06,340 wonderful adventures and so many 1032 00:40:10,980 --> 00:40:08,890 heartwarming experiences that you've 1033 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:10,990 offered to people women who've lost 1034 00:40:14,310 --> 00:40:12,490 their children that you've been able to 1035 00:40:16,830 --> 00:40:14,320 put them in touch with each other I mean 1036 00:40:19,890 --> 00:40:16,840 my god this is phenomenal work it's 1037 00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:19,900 really this is what what to me 1038 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:22,000 spirit is all about being able to 1039 00:40:29,730 --> 00:40:26,290 connect like this yeah I'm sorry but no 1040 00:40:32,310 --> 00:40:29,740 I'm see the tremendous gift of that with 1041 00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:32,320 when a parent loses a child that 1042 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:34,720 reconnect to know that it's really okay 1043 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:37,290 because some that fight it for so long 1044 00:40:45,660 --> 00:40:42,610 yeah it's being a parent I can't I can't 1045 00:40:48,450 --> 00:40:45,670 even fathom the feeling that it has to 1046 00:40:51,150 --> 00:40:48,460 happen when you lose a child it's it's 1047 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:51,160 out of order it's it doesn't feel like 1048 00:40:54,310 --> 00:40:52,010 it's in the progress 1049 00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:54,320 of way and the most precious thing you 1050 00:40:59,920 --> 00:40:58,400 have is your children and you know I of 1051 00:41:00,970 --> 00:40:59,930 course like anyone else I've always kind 1052 00:41:03,100 --> 00:41:00,980 of sat back and thought about how 1053 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:03,110 terrible that would be in the tragedy 1054 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:04,730 that happens to to parents and children 1055 00:41:09,370 --> 00:41:07,850 in those cases but it really was that 1056 00:41:12,670 --> 00:41:09,380 case that I talked about in the book 1057 00:41:15,340 --> 00:41:12,680 with the pretty mothers Club where all 1058 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:15,350 of these women wanted to reconnect with 1059 00:41:20,620 --> 00:41:17,810 their children who most had died in very 1060 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:20,630 violent and tragic ways and there was a 1061 00:41:29,230 --> 00:41:23,810 lot of crying and screaming and emotion 1062 00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:29,240 and wanting to know why and that case 1063 00:41:33,940 --> 00:41:31,760 and I'll let everybody read the chapter 1064 00:41:35,710 --> 00:41:33,950 completely but that case was very 1065 00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:35,720 interesting for me because that that was 1066 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:40,160 the most physical medium experience that 1067 00:41:44,110 --> 00:41:41,570 I've ever had in my life because not 1068 00:41:46,650 --> 00:41:44,120 only were these children's voices coming 1069 00:41:48,910 --> 00:41:46,660 through the machines and crying and and 1070 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:48,920 explaining and going through all these 1071 00:41:52,030 --> 00:41:50,810 different things but I realized as I was 1072 00:41:55,450 --> 00:41:52,040 doing the session for all these poor 1073 00:42:00,030 --> 00:41:55,460 women I was actually taking on the 1074 00:42:03,540 --> 00:42:00,040 energy of these children and they were 1075 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:03,550 seeing me at the end just did energy as 1076 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:07,010 their kids so as I would finish the 1077 00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:08,810 session and they would come up and grip 1078 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:12,110 on to me they were holding their child I 1079 00:42:17,170 --> 00:42:15,170 was it was like an occupation not and 1080 00:42:19,450 --> 00:42:17,180 not a bad occupant but their child was 1081 00:42:22,420 --> 00:42:19,460 there it was they were with me and they 1082 00:42:27,310 --> 00:42:22,430 were able to feel their presence as they 1083 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:27,320 connected physically with me and it was 1084 00:42:32,260 --> 00:42:30,650 absent in hindsight it was absolutely 1085 00:42:35,290 --> 00:42:32,270 amazing at the time it was terrifying 1086 00:42:36,670 --> 00:42:35,300 for me and draining but but now being 1087 00:42:38,430 --> 00:42:36,680 able to look back on it and the gift 1088 00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:38,440 that I was able to give them that night 1089 00:42:43,210 --> 00:42:40,160 was probably one of the greatest 1090 00:42:44,980 --> 00:42:43,220 experiences of my life yes absolutely 1091 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:44,990 that my god 1092 00:42:49,660 --> 00:42:47,090 you know that's the kind of thing that 1093 00:42:51,370 --> 00:42:49,670 that I'm sure people have lost children 1094 00:42:53,020 --> 00:42:51,380 parents have lost children can only 1095 00:42:54,940 --> 00:42:53,030 dream about but yet you've made it 1096 00:42:57,130 --> 00:42:54,950 happen for this group and hopefully for 1097 00:42:59,440 --> 00:42:57,140 many more and now you've had these 1098 00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:59,450 heartwarming experiences with people but 1099 00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:01,280 you've also had some pretty terrifying 1100 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:02,400 experience 1101 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:07,410 yes other types of entities tell us 1102 00:43:11,930 --> 00:43:09,690 about some of those well I'll tell you 1103 00:43:13,220 --> 00:43:11,940 this when I teach most of my classes are 1104 00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:13,230 a speaking university is one of the 1105 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:14,460 first thing that people come up to me 1106 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:16,410 and ask me arse aren't you scared to 1107 00:43:20,990 --> 00:43:18,570 death to do this work how do you go out 1108 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:21,000 and do this and you know there are still 1109 00:43:24,770 --> 00:43:23,370 those frightening moments but you know 1110 00:43:26,510 --> 00:43:24,780 the universe puts you in the place 1111 00:43:28,910 --> 00:43:26,520 you're supposed to be and I finally came 1112 00:43:30,380 --> 00:43:28,920 to accept that this is my role this is 1113 00:43:32,030 --> 00:43:30,390 what I'm supposed to be I'm a spiritual 1114 00:43:32,350 --> 00:43:32,040 warrior I'm a communicator it's what I 1115 00:43:38,660 --> 00:43:32,360 do 1116 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:38,670 I used to but but again I'm put in 1117 00:43:43,580 --> 00:43:41,010 positions that that are almost or 1118 00:43:45,830 --> 00:43:43,590 movie-like sometimes worse than horror 1119 00:43:47,540 --> 00:43:45,840 movie like the scenarios couldn't even 1120 00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:47,550 be imagined where you're in dealing with 1121 00:43:51,470 --> 00:43:49,980 demonic entities near you're being 1122 00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:51,480 choked you're being scratched you're 1123 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:53,250 being thrown downstairs you're you're 1124 00:43:58,310 --> 00:43:55,010 physically attacked spiritually attacked 1125 00:44:01,460 --> 00:43:58,320 you're witnessing your friends your 1126 00:44:04,580 --> 00:44:01,470 mother being attacked 1127 00:44:07,070 --> 00:44:04,590 energy-wise and physically scratched and 1128 00:44:09,110 --> 00:44:07,080 burned in front of you and realizing 1129 00:44:11,540 --> 00:44:09,120 that there's very little of anything 1130 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:11,550 that you can do to to stop it from 1131 00:44:18,050 --> 00:44:15,450 happening we just did on our show The 1132 00:44:21,020 --> 00:44:18,060 Ghost Box Chronicles we we our last 1133 00:44:22,370 --> 00:44:21,030 episode that we had my co-host Dee 1134 00:44:27,260 --> 00:44:22,380 Garcia who's in the chat room tonight 1135 00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:27,270 Heidi how are you I do like the most 1136 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:29,730 super awesome co-host that ever existed 1137 00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:32,970 so Heidi she she was out with us doing 1138 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:35,730 the investigation and while we were out 1139 00:44:40,460 --> 00:44:38,130 there what we do that's a little 1140 00:44:42,380 --> 00:44:40,470 different on our shows is we we film on 1141 00:44:42,770 --> 00:44:42,390 Facebook live while we're filming the 1142 00:44:44,570 --> 00:44:42,780 show 1143 00:44:46,730 --> 00:44:44,580 so we've got the high quality cameras 1144 00:44:48,620 --> 00:44:46,740 the high quality microphones and things 1145 00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:48,630 like that but we always try to do at 1146 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:50,520 least a segment of it on Facebook live 1147 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:52,290 so nothing can be changed or altered or 1148 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:53,610 faked or anything along those lines 1149 00:44:58,970 --> 00:44:55,770 there there's really a reality that goes 1150 00:45:02,000 --> 00:44:58,980 back behind that but anyway this 1151 00:45:04,010 --> 00:45:02,010 location in Ida Grove Iowa that we were 1152 00:45:05,300 --> 00:45:04,020 invited out to we had no idea what we 1153 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:05,310 were getting into when we went out there 1154 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:07,610 but it was a demonically charged 1155 00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:11,370 location and Dean was scratched several 1156 00:45:16,990 --> 00:45:14,510 times on on live on on camera 1157 00:45:18,370 --> 00:45:17,000 and you realize as that's happening you 1158 00:45:20,050 --> 00:45:18,380 just there's nothing you can do to stop 1159 00:45:22,330 --> 00:45:20,060 it you can you can try to help them and 1160 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:22,340 pull the energy off after the fact but 1161 00:45:26,410 --> 00:45:25,010 when people are being hurt you really 1162 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:26,420 have to wait for that energy to die down 1163 00:45:32,020 --> 00:45:28,850 before there's anything you can do gosh 1164 00:45:33,940 --> 00:45:32,030 so so when this happened to Dee and she 1165 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:33,950 was scratched did you then remove her 1166 00:45:38,260 --> 00:45:35,930 from the area so she could be safe again 1167 00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:38,270 or how did you handle that well she's 1168 00:45:42,370 --> 00:45:40,160 been an experiencer for most of her life 1169 00:45:43,900 --> 00:45:42,380 so she she's not an amateur when it 1170 00:45:45,550 --> 00:45:43,910 comes to it she knows how to kind of 1171 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:45,560 handle her selves in those situations 1172 00:45:49,930 --> 00:45:48,050 and not show fear because once you show 1173 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:49,940 fear or anger that's really when things 1174 00:45:55,060 --> 00:45:52,130 escalate very quickly but we got her 1175 00:45:57,790 --> 00:45:55,070 outside I was able to kind of put my 1176 00:45:59,470 --> 00:45:57,800 hand over the burn and the scratch and 1177 00:46:01,240 --> 00:45:59,480 pull some of the negative energy off of 1178 00:46:03,490 --> 00:46:01,250 it and it stopped the pain or limited 1179 00:46:07,660 --> 00:46:03,500 the pain that she was experiencing so 1180 00:46:10,300 --> 00:46:07,670 she was able to get through craziness do 1181 00:46:13,530 --> 00:46:10,310 any of these entities do they stay with 1182 00:46:16,810 --> 00:46:13,540 you and when you're leaving yeah 1183 00:46:18,850 --> 00:46:16,820 definitely we you know you try to clear 1184 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:18,860 yourself you do the best you can to 1185 00:46:22,750 --> 00:46:21,170 ground but you know you're always taking 1186 00:46:25,450 --> 00:46:22,760 a chat a chance when you go into these 1187 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:25,460 situations that's why I always advise 1188 00:46:28,930 --> 00:46:26,570 people who get into paranormal 1189 00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:28,940 investigation you have to be cautious 1190 00:46:33,370 --> 00:46:31,250 it's it's not just watching a television 1191 00:46:34,660 --> 00:46:33,380 show or reading one book that not going 1192 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:34,670 out there and calling yourself an expert 1193 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:38,450 it doesn't work that way you know I 1194 00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:41,570 always tell people you know explore both 1195 00:46:44,590 --> 00:46:43,250 sides you want to make sure that you 1196 00:46:47,470 --> 00:46:44,600 talk to as many people who've lived 1197 00:46:49,420 --> 00:46:47,480 through these situations for many many 1198 00:46:50,980 --> 00:46:49,430 years you might take some of that 1199 00:46:53,050 --> 00:46:50,990 information with a grain of salt but 1200 00:46:55,630 --> 00:46:53,060 it's better to to talk to people who've 1201 00:46:56,890 --> 00:46:55,640 experienced these things and and learn 1202 00:46:58,690 --> 00:46:56,900 before you ever put yourself in those 1203 00:47:01,420 --> 00:46:58,700 positions and always ask for help if you 1204 00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:01,430 need it I I still to this day if I don't 1205 00:47:03,940 --> 00:47:02,720 understand something that I'm dealing 1206 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:03,950 with and I feel like I'm in over my head 1207 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:06,170 I have a network of people that I can 1208 00:47:12,310 --> 00:47:09,530 contact and ask for help so you never 1209 00:47:13,930 --> 00:47:12,320 you're never too far above it that's 1210 00:47:14,980 --> 00:47:13,940 good it's good that you have that kind 1211 00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:14,990 of network and I think that's great 1212 00:47:17,770 --> 00:47:15,440 advice 1213 00:47:19,540 --> 00:47:17,780 don't you PK for anybody thinks that 1214 00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:19,550 they're gonna go out and do this kind of 1215 00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:21,170 in Italy that's what you have to walk 1216 00:47:27,490 --> 00:47:25,730 carefully especially now right thank you 1217 00:47:27,930 --> 00:47:27,500 for saying that yeah that's something I 1218 00:47:29,970 --> 00:47:27,940 talk about 1219 00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:29,980 my spirit communication presentation is 1220 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:33,520 about how the since 2001 the veil is 1221 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:36,130 thin to almost nothing by the time we 1222 00:47:42,050 --> 00:47:38,410 hit 2012 we're literally at a point 1223 00:47:44,310 --> 00:47:42,060 where we're reaching across you know 1224 00:47:45,660 --> 00:47:44,320 millennia where we're basically just 1225 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:45,670 touching the other side in a consistent 1226 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:49,930 basis for the future with this Chris as 1227 00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:53,050 it stands right now a good question 1228 00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:54,730 that's a great question actually I don't 1229 00:47:59,370 --> 00:47:57,850 get that question a lot now are you 1230 00:48:02,880 --> 00:47:59,380 talking about with with the Machine are 1231 00:48:06,060 --> 00:48:02,890 you talking about the spirit with a 1232 00:48:08,610 --> 00:48:06,070 combination either both actually well 1233 00:48:10,410 --> 00:48:08,620 I'm gonna that's a nice segue actually 1234 00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:10,420 cuz I'm gonna take a step into another 1235 00:48:16,350 --> 00:48:12,160 side of this which is part of the book 1236 00:48:17,970 --> 00:48:16,360 with the et aspect of things this is my 1237 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:17,980 personal belief and what I've seen so 1238 00:48:24,990 --> 00:48:21,130 far is that disclosure is coming very 1239 00:48:26,220 --> 00:48:25,000 quickly and we when I'm speaking about 1240 00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:26,230 disclosure I'm speaking about the 1241 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:28,510 reality that the world government's 1242 00:48:31,890 --> 00:48:30,250 already have been well aware of for many 1243 00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:31,900 many millennia at this point they 1244 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:35,170 understand the risk and they're trying 1245 00:48:39,630 --> 00:48:36,970 to suppress it because you know once 1246 00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:39,640 there's a loss of power in government 1247 00:48:45,630 --> 00:48:41,920 and religion and and all these different 1248 00:48:47,550 --> 00:48:45,640 things when one man doesn't control the 1249 00:48:50,610 --> 00:48:47,560 rule another you know what what what do 1250 00:48:52,110 --> 00:48:50,620 they do so I feel like the the spirit 1251 00:48:53,790 --> 00:48:52,120 world's been trying to prep us I feel 1252 00:48:56,190 --> 00:48:53,800 that there's been an opposition to it 1253 00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:56,200 and I think that it's now to a point 1254 00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:58,090 where we are going to start to see 1255 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:00,640 things escalate very very quickly and I 1256 00:49:06,690 --> 00:49:03,610 think that even the mainstream media is 1257 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:06,700 has been trying to to to kind of warn us 1258 00:49:08,940 --> 00:49:07,930 about these things or prepare us for 1259 00:49:12,780 --> 00:49:08,950 these things that are about to take 1260 00:49:14,580 --> 00:49:12,790 place mm-hmm well here's it's a great 1261 00:49:17,010 --> 00:49:14,590 answer and I can't wait to see because I 1262 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:17,020 don't I mean I see disclosure and I know 1263 00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:18,570 if you came talked about this endlessly 1264 00:49:24,780 --> 00:49:21,970 not coming from the government but just 1265 00:49:26,730 --> 00:49:24,790 coming from our own experiences out in 1266 00:49:29,700 --> 00:49:26,740 the world like whether the UFO show up 1267 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:29,710 on our backyard or or what it's not but 1268 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:31,810 the US government doesn't see any 1269 00:49:36,030 --> 00:49:34,450 benefit to sharing any of this with us 1270 00:49:37,650 --> 00:49:36,040 they think that they have to be in 1271 00:49:39,150 --> 00:49:37,660 charge they've got to show how strong 1272 00:49:40,590 --> 00:49:39,160 they are and how powerful even though 1273 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:40,600 they can't control the things that are 1274 00:49:46,349 --> 00:49:41,650 coming in and out of our 1275 00:49:49,250 --> 00:49:46,359 skies I can't control a basis yeah so 1276 00:49:52,289 --> 00:49:49,260 but anyway so I hope that people 1277 00:49:56,099 --> 00:49:52,299 understand how important your work is 1278 00:49:58,349 --> 00:49:56,109 Chris in developing a level of comfort 1279 00:50:00,990 --> 00:49:58,359 with all of this and seeing that it's 1280 00:50:02,460 --> 00:50:01,000 not something to be afraid of generally 1281 00:50:04,019 --> 00:50:02,470 I mean I'm not saying go in and start 1282 00:50:05,970 --> 00:50:04,029 conjuring up demons that you don't want 1283 00:50:07,769 --> 00:50:05,980 to do but but in contacting people on 1284 00:50:09,450 --> 00:50:07,779 the other side and and having these 1285 00:50:11,099 --> 00:50:09,460 conversations there's a lot of healing 1286 00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:11,109 in it which you've been able to offer 1287 00:50:18,769 --> 00:50:15,250 across the board to people yes see more 1288 00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:18,779 of this opening up within the next I'm 1289 00:50:23,099 --> 00:50:20,890 I'm asking only because of what I 1290 00:50:26,609 --> 00:50:23,109 personally pick up within two to five 1291 00:50:29,339 --> 00:50:26,619 years yeah that's right around the range 1292 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:29,349 I always since I've been very young I've 1293 00:50:36,329 --> 00:50:32,170 always seen the number three so yeah in 1294 00:50:38,220 --> 00:50:36,339 and in numerous that's it then yeah and 1295 00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:38,230 I think for the the numerology aspect of 1296 00:50:40,980 --> 00:50:39,520 this I think you can do PK you can 1297 00:50:44,730 --> 00:50:40,990 probably appreciate that I found out 1298 00:50:47,690 --> 00:50:44,740 that my master number is 33 and there's 1299 00:50:49,829 --> 00:50:47,700 a very significant I had no idea 1300 00:50:53,039 --> 00:50:49,839 significant idea that goes back behind 1301 00:50:54,839 --> 00:50:53,049 that and that's right I think that 1302 00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:54,849 there's a lot of us in that can be 1303 00:50:59,660 --> 00:50:56,490 identified through numerology that are 1304 00:51:02,789 --> 00:50:59,670 supposed to lead the way to show people 1305 00:51:07,579 --> 00:51:02,799 what's coming and really prep people for 1306 00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:07,589 what's coming so it's you know my path 1307 00:51:11,370 --> 00:51:09,609 I'll go back to what you're saying yes I 1308 00:51:13,140 --> 00:51:11,380 believe two to three years definitely is 1309 00:51:15,329 --> 00:51:13,150 we're gonna see that disclosure aspect 1310 00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:15,339 but it's fascinating to me when I go 1311 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:18,730 back and look at at how I kind of came 1312 00:51:22,799 --> 00:51:19,930 in to the point that I am right now 1313 00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:22,809 because if you would have told me when I 1314 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:25,510 was a teenager that one day I would be 1315 00:51:31,289 --> 00:51:28,930 on on your show as a quote-unquote 1316 00:51:33,660 --> 00:51:31,299 paranormal expert slash you know psychic 1317 00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:33,670 medium who uses a magic radio to talk to 1318 00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:36,640 dead people and you know I'm going to 1319 00:51:41,339 --> 00:51:39,609 tell everybody how the disclosure I 1320 00:51:42,059 --> 00:51:41,349 would electus that you are completely 1321 00:51:44,430 --> 00:51:42,069 out of your mind 1322 00:51:46,589 --> 00:51:44,440 there's no way but it's interesting 1323 00:51:47,460 --> 00:51:46,599 because I see the progression and I see 1324 00:51:51,950 --> 00:51:47,470 how it's worked and I'll give you a 1325 00:51:55,580 --> 00:51:54,990 okay so I'll tell you that this is my 1326 00:51:58,700 --> 00:51:55,590 fast 1327 00:51:59,210 --> 00:51:58,710 okay as a musician when I was when I was 1328 00:52:00,800 --> 00:51:59,220 younger 1329 00:52:03,550 --> 00:52:00,810 again I've always had these abilities 1330 00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:03,560 and knew there was something there but 1331 00:52:08,210 --> 00:52:06,960 even as a young musician I played guitar 1332 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:08,220 and that's what I did that I was very 1333 00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:11,130 happy playing guitar and I was actually 1334 00:52:14,780 --> 00:52:13,200 forced into singing for a band at one 1335 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:14,790 point I didn't want to sing but there 1336 00:52:17,870 --> 00:52:15,930 was no singer so they said you're the 1337 00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:17,880 singer now and I said oh I can't do this 1338 00:52:21,530 --> 00:52:19,650 don't want to be upfront singing I 1339 00:52:23,330 --> 00:52:21,540 didn't teach myself to sing number one 1340 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:23,340 and then I would sing but I was very 1341 00:52:26,750 --> 00:52:25,050 quiet and then somebody eventually told 1342 00:52:28,250 --> 00:52:26,760 me you have to be a frontman you've got 1343 00:52:29,870 --> 00:52:28,260 to talk to the crowd and get them 1344 00:52:31,310 --> 00:52:29,880 excited and bring them in and engage 1345 00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:31,320 them and do all these different things I 1346 00:52:35,060 --> 00:52:32,730 don't know how to do that well you have 1347 00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:35,070 to so I kind of forced myself to get out 1348 00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:37,200 there and show you know this whole idea 1349 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:38,730 about being a frontman and I think I 1350 00:52:42,260 --> 00:52:40,290 became pretty good at it over the years 1351 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:42,270 and one thing that would happen to me on 1352 00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:45,810 a consistent basis is that I really love 1353 00:52:50,660 --> 00:52:48,480 the band ac/dc this is important so the 1354 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:50,670 band ac/dc and I was fascinated with 1355 00:52:53,150 --> 00:52:52,050 they were the greatest thing ever to me 1356 00:52:55,820 --> 00:52:53,160 I loved playing their music they were 1357 00:52:58,580 --> 00:52:55,830 the best and there was a band that came 1358 00:53:00,020 --> 00:52:58,590 out in the 1980s called Tesla and I 1359 00:53:01,490 --> 00:53:00,030 thought that their music was pretty good 1360 00:53:03,530 --> 00:53:01,500 but any time we would try to cover one 1361 00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:03,540 of their songs disaster would strike and 1362 00:53:07,550 --> 00:53:05,730 eventually it get to the point that one 1363 00:53:09,530 --> 00:53:07,560 of their songs came on the radio car 1364 00:53:11,450 --> 00:53:09,540 accidents happen people got hurt it got 1365 00:53:12,590 --> 00:53:11,460 very very bad so we would get to the 1366 00:53:14,420 --> 00:53:12,600 point when Tesla would come on that we 1367 00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:14,430 would turn off the radio burn the CDs do 1368 00:53:20,330 --> 00:53:18,960 all this different yes oh I had no idea 1369 00:53:22,660 --> 00:53:20,340 why this was and I know this sounds 1370 00:53:32,810 --> 00:53:22,670 crazy but I'm getting to my point so 1371 00:53:34,610 --> 00:53:32,820 hold the point into laughter here we 1372 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:34,620 gotta take a real short break if you 1373 00:53:38,570 --> 00:53:35,970 want to call in eight eight eight nine 1374 00:53:40,820 --> 00:53:38,580 one nine two three five five again eight 1375 00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:40,830 eight eight nine one nine two three five 1376 00:53:45,650 --> 00:53:43,170 five you're listening to Supernatural 1377 00:53:47,300 --> 00:53:45,660 girls radio we're paranormal is normal 1378 00:53:49,610 --> 00:53:47,310 we'll be right back welcome back 1379 00:53:51,530 --> 00:53:49,620 everyone to supernatural girls radio I'm 1380 00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:51,540 your host Patricia Baker I'm here with 1381 00:53:59,810 --> 00:53:57,200 my co-host PK and our terrific yes 1382 00:54:02,120 --> 00:53:59,820 Christopher moon and he's the author of 1383 00:54:03,590 --> 00:54:02,130 a terrific book called ghost box and 1384 00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:03,600 we're on the edge of our seats waiting 1385 00:54:07,790 --> 00:54:05,730 for the point to the story there's some 1386 00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:07,800 beautiful cover of the book it is it's a 1387 00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:08,730 wonderful 1388 00:54:12,860 --> 00:54:11,280 you guys gotta get it it's amazing it's 1389 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:12,870 great it's entertaining and it's 1390 00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:14,970 informative get it it's wonderful so 1391 00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:16,050 we're on the edge of our seats here 1392 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:18,000 Chris we got to finish this I'll 1393 00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:20,970 finishing the story yes so favorite band 1394 00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:23,040 was ac/dc and any time that we would 1395 00:54:29,350 --> 00:54:26,130 play or even have the music of Tesla the 1396 00:54:31,310 --> 00:54:29,360 band on anywhere bad luck would ensue so 1397 00:54:33,230 --> 00:54:31,320 it got to the point where everybody 1398 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:33,240 would know when that song came on or the 1399 00:54:36,410 --> 00:54:34,530 band came on you turn off the radio 1400 00:54:37,970 --> 00:54:36,420 immediately especially there was a song 1401 00:54:40,580 --> 00:54:37,980 called Edison's medicine that they used 1402 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:40,590 to do and once that would come out shut 1403 00:54:43,550 --> 00:54:42,090 everything down because the world was 1404 00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:43,560 gonna blow up it was one of those types 1405 00:54:51,230 --> 00:54:47,040 of situations so yeah I thought really 1406 00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:51,240 weird so fast forward many many years I 1407 00:54:56,810 --> 00:54:55,410 was had a little blue ghost box that 1408 00:54:58,940 --> 00:54:56,820 Frank had built me it was the second or 1409 00:55:00,530 --> 00:54:58,950 third generation device that that I'd 1410 00:55:02,510 --> 00:55:00,540 had and it ran on batteries and it was 1411 00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:02,520 very small not a loud speaker but it 1412 00:55:09,020 --> 00:55:05,730 worked really well and I was at Thomas 1413 00:55:12,290 --> 00:55:09,030 Edison's Museum in Fort Myers Florida 1414 00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:12,300 and I'm walking through with this little 1415 00:55:16,190 --> 00:55:14,610 box they had no idea what it was and I'm 1416 00:55:18,590 --> 00:55:16,200 walking through and I'm looking at the 1417 00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:18,600 walls and all over the walls I see ac/dc 1418 00:55:24,620 --> 00:55:21,570 ac/dc ac/dc ac/dc and I'm thinking to 1419 00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:24,630 myself huh this kind of makes sense and 1420 00:55:27,980 --> 00:55:26,400 then all of a sudden is I'm sitting 1421 00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:27,990 there listening to them talking I 1422 00:55:36,140 --> 00:55:32,130 realize I said Tesla was his number one 1423 00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:36,150 in this has this sorry adversary and I 1424 00:55:40,700 --> 00:55:38,640 realized right then and there that even 1425 00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:40,710 I was very young that had been him 1426 00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:43,410 telling me in his own way you stay away 1427 00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:52,130 from Tesla you stick with me himself 1428 00:55:56,540 --> 00:55:54,810 yeah it clicked with me immediately and 1429 00:56:01,220 --> 00:55:56,550 I went oh my gosh that's what this is 1430 00:56:02,750 --> 00:56:01,230 all about so as as ironic as it was we 1431 00:56:04,490 --> 00:56:02,760 were out at one of the old buildings and 1432 00:56:05,660 --> 00:56:04,500 we were working with a staff member who 1433 00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:05,670 I won't give away a name because I'll 1434 00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:07,890 get in trouble but they were kind of 1435 00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:09,330 taking us behind the scenes into some of 1436 00:56:13,850 --> 00:56:11,370 these different areas and I actually 1437 00:56:16,340 --> 00:56:13,860 took the antenna of this ghost box and 1438 00:56:18,620 --> 00:56:16,350 attached it to a very old original 1439 00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:18,630 telephone that was still inside the 1440 00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:20,400 location and I don't know why I did it 1441 00:56:24,130 --> 00:56:21,680 they just told me to 1442 00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:24,140 and I turned the device on there is 1443 00:56:28,900 --> 00:56:26,240 Edison in front of a group of five of my 1444 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:28,910 friends as we stood there and we had a 1445 00:56:34,839 --> 00:56:30,410 full-blown conversation back and forth 1446 00:56:37,059 --> 00:56:34,849 with Edison and he went into detail and 1447 00:56:40,569 --> 00:56:37,069 telling us where he had actually taken 1448 00:56:41,890 --> 00:56:40,579 all of his notes for the machine that 1449 00:56:44,260 --> 00:56:41,900 they were destroyed by his his 1450 00:56:46,329 --> 00:56:44,270 contemporaries that he had actually been 1451 00:56:48,670 --> 00:56:46,339 so afraid that somebody was going to 1452 00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:48,680 steal his design of the the original 1453 00:56:56,829 --> 00:56:51,920 telephone to the dead that he didn't 1454 00:56:58,930 --> 00:56:56,839 actually write everything down that he 1455 00:57:05,529 --> 00:56:58,940 actually had it recorded to those old 1456 00:57:16,769 --> 00:57:05,539 phonograph recorders music Wow 1457 00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:19,029 photograph recording it's almost like I 1458 00:57:29,500 --> 00:57:21,730 have background music it there right now 1459 00:57:35,260 --> 00:57:29,510 what are you doing to us I hear sweet 1460 00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:35,270 dreams Marilyn Manson I believe I write 1461 00:57:44,319 --> 00:57:41,200 what I do here that yes is your box on 1462 00:57:48,059 --> 00:57:44,329 is not on there's no music or sound from 1463 00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:48,069 my side I'm telling you right now okay 1464 00:57:54,099 --> 00:57:51,490 so so he said that he had actually 1465 00:57:56,380 --> 00:57:54,109 recorded everything with his voice onto 1466 00:57:59,200 --> 00:57:56,390 a phonograph record a cylinder 1467 00:58:01,690 --> 00:57:59,210 phonograph cylinder and then he told us 1468 00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:01,700 where the cylinder was hidden inside one 1469 00:58:06,519 --> 00:58:04,880 of his houses inside mice and I turned 1470 00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:06,529 to the guide and her face was stark 1471 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:08,480 white she goes oh my god I know exactly 1472 00:58:13,870 --> 00:58:12,170 where that is so here's the conspiracy 1473 00:58:15,549 --> 00:58:13,880 theory aspect of it she was going to go 1474 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:15,559 in and actually get to this old part of 1475 00:58:18,970 --> 00:58:16,970 the museum nobody could get to any more 1476 00:58:20,559 --> 00:58:18,980 and open the closet open up the secret 1477 00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:20,569 compartment he told us about see if it 1478 00:58:27,609 --> 00:58:22,400 was still there and she was let go 1479 00:58:32,170 --> 00:58:27,619 before kidding so somebody did somebody 1480 00:58:33,849 --> 00:58:32,180 overheard yes yeah absolutely well 1481 00:58:35,620 --> 00:58:33,859 they're watching you there's no doubt 1482 00:58:38,110 --> 00:58:35,630 about it 1483 00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:38,120 one thing pk asked you before is if you 1484 00:58:43,150 --> 00:58:40,490 could show everybody what the box looks 1485 00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:43,160 like and while you're doing that that's 1486 00:58:48,100 --> 00:58:45,440 okay we have another question and this 1487 00:58:50,620 --> 00:58:48,110 is from James Poole and James is asking 1488 00:58:53,260 --> 00:58:50,630 can Chris talk about the video part of 1489 00:58:58,330 --> 00:58:53,270 the box showing the box everybody if 1490 00:59:00,340 --> 00:58:58,340 they can see it's so simplistic that's 1491 00:59:02,620 --> 00:59:00,350 what makes it even more fascinating and 1492 00:59:04,900 --> 00:59:02,630 this is Frank's box this is the latest 1493 00:59:06,370 --> 00:59:04,910 version this was what yeah this was one 1494 00:59:07,630 --> 00:59:06,380 of the last ones he built for me and 1495 00:59:10,990 --> 00:59:07,640 this one was interesting this was number 1496 00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:11,000 40 and he actually built this one 1497 00:59:15,700 --> 00:59:13,280 specifically for me because I came back 1498 00:59:18,070 --> 00:59:15,710 to him with specific instruction from 1499 00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:18,080 spirit on what they wanted in this 1500 00:59:24,340 --> 00:59:21,650 device I am not technical at all anybody 1501 00:59:26,830 --> 00:59:24,350 who knows me knows I am NOT a mechanical 1502 00:59:28,210 --> 00:59:26,840 person and I went back to Frank and I 1503 00:59:30,070 --> 00:59:28,220 said Frank I need you to build a box for 1504 00:59:32,940 --> 00:59:30,080 me goes yeah okay I said no no there's 1505 00:59:35,470 --> 00:59:32,950 some specific things you're supposed to 1506 00:59:36,850 --> 00:59:35,480 burn the circuit you're supposed to do 1507 00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:36,860 this you're supposed to do that and he 1508 00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:39,200 looked at me because are you kidding me 1509 00:59:42,100 --> 00:59:40,880 and I said no that's what they told me 1510 00:59:44,740 --> 00:59:42,110 he goes how did you know to say that 1511 00:59:46,330 --> 00:59:44,750 nice they told me to tell you so he 1512 00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:46,340 built it to my specifications and it's 1513 00:59:53,140 --> 00:59:49,930 been the Box I've used mainly since 2007 1514 00:59:56,380 --> 00:59:53,150 so tell us about this video part of the 1515 00:59:58,690 --> 00:59:56,390 box what is that yeah I know James hi 1516 01:00:00,880 --> 00:59:58,700 James how are ya he had an experience in 1517 01:00:02,290 --> 01:00:00,890 Louisville Kentucky at scare fest his 1518 01:00:05,050 --> 01:00:02,300 grandmother actually came through during 1519 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:05,060 the gallery reading device oh hi James 1520 01:00:12,010 --> 01:00:07,850 he's also a great box talker my radio 1521 01:00:13,630 --> 01:00:12,020 show box doc so yeah the video version 1522 01:00:16,780 --> 01:00:13,640 of the device I had bugged Frank for 1523 01:00:18,340 --> 01:00:16,790 years to do a video version and if for 1524 01:00:21,100 --> 01:00:18,350 anybody who knew Frank he go yeah yeah 1525 01:00:23,740 --> 01:00:21,110 yeah I'll get to it he rarely would but 1526 01:00:25,390 --> 01:00:23,750 I her asked him long enough that he 1527 01:00:27,820 --> 01:00:25,400 thought it was just time to let it go 1528 01:00:31,330 --> 01:00:27,830 and eventually he called me one day or 1529 01:00:32,770 --> 01:00:31,340 emailed me and said I'm working on this 1530 01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:32,780 video device you need to see it like it 1531 01:00:39,730 --> 01:00:37,040 was all his idea it made me laugh so 1532 01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:39,740 yeah so I showed up and did some testing 1533 01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:40,730 with him and we had some really 1534 01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:42,290 interesting images that came through 1535 01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:44,720 what he was doing with it a few years 1536 01:00:48,539 --> 01:00:46,880 later he actually created what he called 1537 01:00:50,849 --> 01:00:48,549 the video box 1538 01:00:53,459 --> 01:00:50,859 and he invited me over for coffee and 1539 01:00:57,269 --> 01:00:53,469 showed me just this this machine looked 1540 01:00:59,429 --> 01:00:57,279 like a regular Ghost Box Frank's box but 1541 01:01:02,009 --> 01:00:59,439 there was this little video screen up on 1542 01:01:04,169 --> 01:01:02,019 top with some controls and when he first 1543 01:01:05,189 --> 01:01:04,179 showed it to me again if I wouldn't know 1544 01:01:06,809 --> 01:01:05,199 better I would have thought this guy's 1545 01:01:08,999 --> 01:01:06,819 crazy it just looks like static there's 1546 01:01:10,199 --> 01:01:09,009 nothing to this but I knew from my first 1547 01:01:11,279 --> 01:01:10,209 experience I was like you better pay 1548 01:01:12,209 --> 01:01:11,289 attention because I think there might be 1549 01:01:14,309 --> 01:01:12,219 something big here 1550 01:01:15,809 --> 01:01:14,319 so I started actually as I'd stare at 1551 01:01:16,769 --> 01:01:15,819 this more and more I see little flashes 1552 01:01:21,449 --> 01:01:16,779 that we come through which look like 1553 01:01:23,519 --> 01:01:21,459 images just split-second so sight unseen 1554 01:01:25,859 --> 01:01:23,529 we took it out to ashes in Kansas 1555 01:01:29,249 --> 01:01:25,869 interestingly enough kind of like the 1556 01:01:31,019 --> 01:01:29,259 first one yeah yeah we were filming a 1557 01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:31,029 pilot for a show called Ghost Box with 1558 01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:32,410 Christopher moon that was the name of it 1559 01:01:38,279 --> 01:01:35,650 I went to an old Museum out there which 1560 01:01:41,219 --> 01:01:38,289 is an old Victorian mansion that I found 1561 01:01:42,539 --> 01:01:41,229 out later a woman had built this on top 1562 01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:42,549 of the cemetery they didn't move the 1563 01:01:45,779 --> 01:01:43,599 bodies they just got rid of the 1564 01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:45,789 headstones and they she built the house 1565 01:01:49,199 --> 01:01:47,170 on top of it because she thought it was 1566 01:01:52,919 --> 01:01:49,209 the best view in town and that was she 1567 01:01:54,390 --> 01:01:52,929 did it oh yeah of course so that when 1568 01:01:56,999 --> 01:01:54,400 she passed away you know things got 1569 01:01:59,579 --> 01:01:57,009 interesting so we were in there talking 1570 01:02:02,009 --> 01:01:59,589 and trying to figure out exactly who was 1571 01:02:05,279 --> 01:02:02,019 there and it was the woman who came 1572 01:02:06,630 --> 01:02:05,289 through audio-wise on the device and 1573 01:02:09,809 --> 01:02:06,640 said that she was the one who spoke for 1574 01:02:12,239 --> 01:02:09,819 everyone who was there and then they 1575 01:02:14,819 --> 01:02:12,249 directed me through voice to actually 1576 01:02:16,410 --> 01:02:14,829 flip switches on the device and as I did 1577 01:02:19,739 --> 01:02:16,420 this they were filming the entire time 1578 01:02:21,660 --> 01:02:19,749 just on this little screen and I saw a 1579 01:02:24,269 --> 01:02:21,670 flash that came through and I saw the 1580 01:02:29,519 --> 01:02:24,279 image in my head and it imprinted itself 1581 01:02:31,709 --> 01:02:29,529 I could see it clearly and once that was 1582 01:02:33,539 --> 01:02:31,719 in my head I just said okay I know that 1583 01:02:35,699 --> 01:02:33,549 there's something there so the director 1584 01:02:37,709 --> 01:02:35,709 went back and went frame by frame 1585 01:02:39,059 --> 01:02:37,719 through all of that footage so you have 1586 01:02:40,319 --> 01:02:39,069 to know there's millions of these frames 1587 01:02:42,539 --> 01:02:40,329 and he went click click click click 1588 01:02:46,019 --> 01:02:42,549 click animation of the point I said flip 1589 01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:46,029 there's a face it was there and it was 1590 01:02:50,579 --> 01:02:49,089 so distinct it was this woman and you 1591 01:02:52,679 --> 01:02:50,589 can see she had her hair in a tight bun 1592 01:02:54,299 --> 01:02:52,689 up on top and all the way down through 1593 01:02:57,479 --> 01:02:54,309 the detail in her face and she had this 1594 01:02:59,249 --> 01:02:57,489 really high Victorian collar and jewelry 1595 01:03:00,930 --> 01:02:59,259 that was coming down to the very front I 1596 01:03:03,030 --> 01:03:00,940 thought this 1597 01:03:04,319 --> 01:03:03,040 what an amazing picture and it was it 1598 01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:04,329 was it's incredible you can actually go 1599 01:03:10,319 --> 01:03:06,730 back and see it there it's on my youtube 1600 01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:10,329 channel which is mad as the moon but the 1601 01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:11,920 thing that blew me away is I had not 1602 01:03:16,020 --> 01:03:14,290 watched the demo reel that was before it 1603 01:03:17,609 --> 01:03:16,030 and he had actually been scanning 1604 01:03:21,329 --> 01:03:17,619 through on his camera taking pictures of 1605 01:03:23,730 --> 01:03:21,339 the room and he had gone over a portrait 1606 01:03:26,190 --> 01:03:23,740 of this woman and it was a spitting 1607 01:03:27,870 --> 01:03:26,200 image of that woman in the portrait 1608 01:03:31,530 --> 01:03:27,880 so I told us right then and there that's 1609 01:03:33,750 --> 01:03:31,540 her incredible yeah it was amazing is 1610 01:03:36,750 --> 01:03:33,760 incredible but let's talk a little bit 1611 01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:36,760 if you don't mind about the technology 1612 01:03:41,870 --> 01:03:39,520 here because now you're down to number 1613 01:03:45,780 --> 01:03:41,880 40 Frank passed away unfortunately 1614 01:03:49,500 --> 01:03:45,790 several years ago so we better hope this 1615 01:03:51,270 --> 01:03:49,510 box holds up right yeah that's something 1616 01:03:54,329 --> 01:03:51,280 I've been talking about a lot lately 1617 01:03:57,359 --> 01:03:54,339 we're not sure who's going to be able to 1618 01:03:59,760 --> 01:03:57,369 carry on with this I I started working 1619 01:04:02,579 --> 01:03:59,770 after Frank passed away I for about a 1620 01:04:05,190 --> 01:04:02,589 year I didn't know where to go you know 1621 01:04:07,980 --> 01:04:05,200 that these machines are very much just 1622 01:04:09,390 --> 01:04:07,990 you know wood and electronics and and 1623 01:04:12,990 --> 01:04:09,400 you really never know how long they're 1624 01:04:14,430 --> 01:04:13,000 gonna hold up and I feel like I've been 1625 01:04:16,710 --> 01:04:14,440 blessed to the certain point almost like 1626 01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:16,720 the the you know the oil blasting in the 1627 01:04:21,180 --> 01:04:18,970 lamp longer than it should have type of 1628 01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:21,190 idea because Frank used to do 1629 01:04:24,510 --> 01:04:22,810 maintenance on these devices about every 1630 01:04:26,250 --> 01:04:24,520 four to six months for me to make sure 1631 01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:26,260 that they were fine-tuned and that 1632 01:04:29,940 --> 01:04:27,490 Frank's been gone over three years I 1633 01:04:33,420 --> 01:04:29,950 believe and we haven't had anybody touch 1634 01:04:35,099 --> 01:04:33,430 any of these machines so I had started 1635 01:04:38,370 --> 01:04:35,109 looking for people to help me with the 1636 01:04:40,020 --> 01:04:38,380 device knowing full well that it was 1637 01:04:43,380 --> 01:04:40,030 going to be nearly impossible to find a 1638 01:04:45,150 --> 01:04:43,390 physical medium out there like Frank who 1639 01:04:46,740 --> 01:04:45,160 would be able to hear these voices come 1640 01:04:49,140 --> 01:04:46,750 through and tune the boards and things 1641 01:04:51,450 --> 01:04:49,150 like that to be able to speak to them I 1642 01:04:53,250 --> 01:04:51,460 started working with man named Andre who 1643 01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:53,260 was somebody who followed Frank very 1644 01:04:58,500 --> 01:04:56,170 closely and built things to his 1645 01:05:02,099 --> 01:04:58,510 specifications and I actually have two 1646 01:05:03,630 --> 01:05:02,109 devices through Andre which while 1647 01:05:05,819 --> 01:05:03,640 they're not Frank's boxes they're not 1648 01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:05,829 ghost boxes in that sense they do work 1649 01:05:09,300 --> 01:05:07,450 very well I think the attention that 1650 01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:09,310 goes with them works we've got some 1651 01:05:14,460 --> 01:05:12,880 great evidence through those but as far 1652 01:05:16,319 --> 01:05:14,470 as the devices 1653 01:05:17,730 --> 01:05:16,329 I don't know how long they're gonna last 1654 01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:17,740 and I don't know who would be able to 1655 01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:21,250 fix them yeah that's really a question 1656 01:05:24,029 --> 01:05:22,089 huh 1657 01:05:26,819 --> 01:05:24,039 so you have your eye out for somebody 1658 01:05:28,500 --> 01:05:26,829 that may be able to help you and and it 1659 01:05:30,779 --> 01:05:28,510 has the same abilities that Frank had 1660 01:05:34,589 --> 01:05:30,789 now his Frank come through to talk to 1661 01:05:36,900 --> 01:05:34,599 you yeah Frank has come through it was 1662 01:05:38,849 --> 01:05:36,910 interesting because Frank was kind of I 1663 01:05:40,710 --> 01:05:38,859 think admittedly you'd ask his wife or 1664 01:05:43,980 --> 01:05:40,720 anybody else he was kind of a unique guy 1665 01:05:46,620 --> 01:05:43,990 I don't know what the world would be for 1666 01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:46,630 him yeah just unique that's the best way 1667 01:05:51,059 --> 01:05:48,250 to put it and he had a lot of video 1668 01:05:53,670 --> 01:05:51,069 secrecy's that so might drive a few 1669 01:05:55,559 --> 01:05:53,680 people crazy not a lot of people knew 1670 01:05:56,910 --> 01:05:55,569 that Frank was a nudist he lies 1671 01:06:01,200 --> 01:05:56,920 sometimes when you show up over at his 1672 01:06:03,210 --> 01:06:01,210 house he'd surprise you and there there 1673 01:06:04,529 --> 01:06:03,220 would be a couple of days ago Wow so you 1674 01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:04,539 know when we went to his funeral it was 1675 01:06:07,559 --> 01:06:06,250 kind of funny to exchange the stories 1676 01:06:08,970 --> 01:06:07,569 there was a lot of laughter as more 1677 01:06:10,140 --> 01:06:08,980 laughs than tears when we were talking 1678 01:06:13,980 --> 01:06:10,150 about Frank he's just such an 1679 01:06:17,730 --> 01:06:13,990 interesting guy but Frank had a colorful 1680 01:06:20,190 --> 01:06:17,740 vocabulary and he always swore you know 1681 01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:20,200 because a lot of people he really 1682 01:06:23,970 --> 01:06:22,450 trusted people to take these devices so 1683 01:06:26,460 --> 01:06:23,980 he put these devices out if somebody 1684 01:06:28,740 --> 01:06:26,470 said that they wanted one he he'd hand 1685 01:06:32,010 --> 01:06:28,750 them a device and that most people would 1686 01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:32,020 take them and either sell them or you 1687 01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:33,490 know say that they didn't work and 1688 01:06:37,349 --> 01:06:35,920 discredit him or it really put him in a 1689 01:06:41,460 --> 01:06:37,359 bad place so he was always very 1690 01:06:43,500 --> 01:06:41,470 defensive of his work and things like 1691 01:06:45,450 --> 01:06:43,510 that so he'd always tell me and say you 1692 01:06:46,829 --> 01:06:45,460 know when when I die I'm never coming 1693 01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:46,839 through my own machine I won't give him 1694 01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:48,210 the credit I won't give him that the 1695 01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:51,250 satisfaction I won't do it so when he 1696 01:06:57,870 --> 01:06:53,200 did pass away I'll never forget I was in 1697 01:07:00,480 --> 01:06:57,880 New Orleans when I got the news and it 1698 01:07:02,069 --> 01:07:00,490 was worse it was the worst feeling of 1699 01:07:05,849 --> 01:07:02,079 loss that I've ever had worse than 1700 01:07:10,380 --> 01:07:05,859 losing a family member he just I felt 1701 01:07:13,799 --> 01:07:10,390 like my spiritual brother was gone at 1702 01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:13,809 that point and it really devastated me 1703 01:07:20,700 --> 01:07:18,720 and when I got back to Colorado I 1704 01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:20,710 remember I turned on a device and I 1705 01:07:23,309 --> 01:07:21,970 never do it for myself but I turned on 1706 01:07:25,230 --> 01:07:23,319 the device and I said hey Frank if 1707 01:07:27,180 --> 01:07:25,240 you're out there is there anything that 1708 01:07:29,010 --> 01:07:27,190 I can pass on to your wife 1709 01:07:30,300 --> 01:07:29,020 you just recorded a little short he came 1710 01:07:33,150 --> 01:07:30,310 through and recorded this little short 1711 01:07:36,210 --> 01:07:33,160 thing about how he was gonna miss having 1712 01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:36,220 coffee in the morning with his wife and 1713 01:07:40,260 --> 01:07:38,050 I was able to pass on that recording to 1714 01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:40,270 her and I think it meant a lot to her at 1715 01:07:43,770 --> 01:07:42,160 that point so I didn't know what was 1716 01:07:46,349 --> 01:07:43,780 gonna happen past that point but he is 1717 01:07:47,550 --> 01:07:46,359 absolutely he's over there he's working 1718 01:07:49,079 --> 01:07:47,560 on the project he's working on 1719 01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:49,089 everything he has no interest in 1720 01:07:53,069 --> 01:07:50,650 connecting anyone with their loved ones 1721 01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:53,079 that's not what he does but he's very 1722 01:07:57,780 --> 01:07:54,730 much about the technology and he always 1723 01:07:59,700 --> 01:07:57,790 wants to make sure that we're still 1724 01:08:02,430 --> 01:07:59,710 moving forward we're advancing with this 1725 01:08:04,589 --> 01:08:02,440 so he he actually came through over on 1726 01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:04,599 his video box and we knew it was Frank 1727 01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:06,160 because when he showed up he only showed 1728 01:08:14,870 --> 01:08:07,680 up with his hat on that's all he had on 1729 01:08:19,890 --> 01:08:17,880 what's what's he made his appearance to 1730 01:08:22,620 --> 01:08:19,900 all of us in the room we all went but 1731 01:08:23,939 --> 01:08:22,630 that we do and he said I have a few 1732 01:08:25,380 --> 01:08:23,949 things that I want to show you and he 1733 01:08:27,539 --> 01:08:25,390 started showing us some of the most 1734 01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:27,549 amazing maracas he showed us this is 1735 01:08:30,180 --> 01:08:28,930 what they call an angel this is what 1736 01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:30,190 they call this this what they call that 1737 01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:32,080 he showed us different images that came 1738 01:08:38,180 --> 01:08:35,290 through and I'll never forget it so I 1739 01:08:41,130 --> 01:08:38,190 still yeah I still talk to Frank 1740 01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:41,140 occasionally can he possibly recommend 1741 01:08:45,090 --> 01:08:42,880 someone that you would be able to use is 1742 01:08:46,620 --> 01:08:45,100 he aware of you know I've actually asked 1743 01:08:48,059 --> 01:08:46,630 him that question several times that he 1744 01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:48,069 has not given me a definitive answer 1745 01:08:52,769 --> 01:08:50,770 towards anyone so my assumption on this 1746 01:08:54,269 --> 01:08:52,779 is this is my mission I I think that I'm 1747 01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:54,279 supposed to 1748 01:08:58,680 --> 01:08:56,290 I probably choose this before I got here 1749 01:09:00,300 --> 01:08:58,690 I'm supposed to get to a point of 1750 01:09:01,650 --> 01:09:00,310 desperation and then I think that the 1751 01:09:05,729 --> 01:09:01,660 person who's supposed to come into my 1752 01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:05,739 life will I I know there's a lot of 1753 01:09:09,030 --> 01:09:07,120 people out there who've come forward and 1754 01:09:10,740 --> 01:09:09,040 asked to help with this but I 1755 01:09:15,390 --> 01:09:10,750 unfortunately know that a lot of these 1756 01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:15,400 people have ulterior motives and I yeah 1757 01:09:23,729 --> 01:09:20,290 with that that's the sad part video 1758 01:09:27,959 --> 01:09:23,739 guard their motives might be very hard 1759 01:09:29,729 --> 01:09:27,969 what about doctors coming through do 1760 01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:29,739 doctors come through to try to help 1761 01:09:33,570 --> 01:09:31,930 people with their medical conditions 1762 01:09:35,729 --> 01:09:33,580 with more knowledge that they've gotten 1763 01:09:37,919 --> 01:09:35,739 from the other side we have had doctors 1764 01:09:39,289 --> 01:09:37,929 come through it's interesting because 1765 01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:39,299 usually 1766 01:09:43,670 --> 01:09:41,010 when it comes down to it I call my mom 1767 01:09:45,260 --> 01:09:43,680 dr. psychic because she's wanted you 1768 01:09:46,700 --> 01:09:45,270 know what because that's it they talked 1769 01:09:48,230 --> 01:09:46,710 to her first she'll look at somebody 1770 01:09:50,809 --> 01:09:48,240 she'll tell them everything from you 1771 01:09:52,519 --> 01:09:50,819 know diabetes their diets off they need 1772 01:09:54,380 --> 01:09:52,529 more vitamin this their knees are bad 1773 01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:54,390 their legs are bad change your shoes 1774 01:09:59,540 --> 01:09:57,930 she's got the whole thing down so I 1775 01:10:03,080 --> 01:09:59,550 usually can rely on them for the medical 1776 01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:03,090 aspect of things but I have had in I 1777 01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:06,480 want to say maybe maybe three readings 1778 01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:07,770 over the entire time I've been doing 1779 01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:09,690 this had doctors come through and 1780 01:10:12,860 --> 01:10:11,370 actually from the spirit world and 1781 01:10:14,780 --> 01:10:12,870 actually give recommendations that have 1782 01:10:17,090 --> 01:10:14,790 been able to help people in this realm 1783 01:10:18,620 --> 01:10:17,100 over here where I've actually gotten 1784 01:10:20,030 --> 01:10:18,630 feedback where they said yes in fact I 1785 01:10:22,940 --> 01:10:20,040 did go to my doctor and they told me 1786 01:10:24,590 --> 01:10:22,950 that that was the case excellent 1787 01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:24,600 yeah because there have been healers 1788 01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:27,360 through the years Edgar Cayce who child 1789 01:10:33,500 --> 01:10:30,090 information from the other side and Bill 1790 01:10:35,420 --> 01:10:33,510 Brown who used to be actually act like 1791 01:10:37,940 --> 01:10:35,430 an ethnic surgeon and he would have 1792 01:10:41,330 --> 01:10:37,950 different surgeons possess him and he 1793 01:10:42,710 --> 01:10:41,340 wouldn't heal people this way like I can 1794 01:10:44,660 --> 01:10:42,720 tell you a crazy thing that comes 1795 01:10:45,950 --> 01:10:44,670 stemming from the ghost box to where we 1796 01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:45,960 are right now and I'll give you a quick 1797 01:10:50,930 --> 01:10:47,850 story on this because we have D Garcia's 1798 01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:50,940 in the chat room so oh and I didn't get 1799 01:11:03,890 --> 01:10:52,320 to the technician story about it either 1800 01:11:06,230 --> 01:11:03,900 so anyway but the situation is this is 1801 01:11:08,180 --> 01:11:06,240 that Dee's father unfortunately they 1802 01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:08,190 lost him just over a year ago he passed 1803 01:11:15,110 --> 01:11:12,450 away and his name is Oscar Garcia and I 1804 01:11:17,180 --> 01:11:15,120 started doing a show with D at the box 1805 01:11:18,950 --> 01:11:17,190 talk radio show period Morehouse I 1806 01:11:20,690 --> 01:11:18,960 started doing with her I want to say it 1807 01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:20,700 was February of this year we actually 1808 01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:23,610 started doing the show and from time to 1809 01:11:27,050 --> 01:11:26,010 time the idea from the ghost box doesn't 1810 01:11:28,700 --> 01:11:27,060 come through very well through these 1811 01:11:30,230 --> 01:11:28,710 headsets that's why I try to avoid doing 1812 01:11:32,860 --> 01:11:30,240 those kind of sessions but people always 1813 01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:32,870 want us to do readings on the air so 1814 01:11:36,500 --> 01:11:35,130 occasionally I'll pull the box out many 1815 01:11:38,090 --> 01:11:36,510 readings for people for five or ten 1816 01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:38,100 minutes and get some communication going 1817 01:11:42,440 --> 01:11:40,170 for them but the constant voice that was 1818 01:11:44,030 --> 01:11:42,450 always coming through was Oscar he would 1819 01:11:46,010 --> 01:11:44,040 come through and talk to D he would talk 1820 01:11:50,420 --> 01:11:46,020 to the family and he would dominate the 1821 01:11:51,660 --> 01:11:50,430 sessions and I used to say I get to look 1822 01:11:56,070 --> 01:11:51,670 like mr. Garcia mr. 1823 01:11:56,580 --> 01:11:56,080 see I have so we have conversations all 1824 01:11:59,520 --> 01:11:56,590 the time 1825 01:12:02,220 --> 01:11:59,530 so anyway fast forwarding III used to 1826 01:12:04,440 --> 01:12:02,230 think wow he comes to an awful lot so it 1827 01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:04,450 turns out he was an administration an 1828 01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:09,520 administrator a teacher and D had been 1829 01:12:13,620 --> 01:12:11,410 having having a lot of communication 1830 01:12:14,820 --> 01:12:13,630 with him in conversations so she said 1831 01:12:16,290 --> 01:12:14,830 that she had actually run into a 1832 01:12:19,140 --> 01:12:16,300 situation where one night she was 1833 01:12:21,060 --> 01:12:19,150 dreaming and it was a very vivid dream 1834 01:12:23,100 --> 01:12:21,070 where she was in her her old house that 1835 01:12:26,070 --> 01:12:23,110 she grew up at and she walked out of her 1836 01:12:28,710 --> 01:12:26,080 room and there was me as strange as that 1837 01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:28,720 was in Brownsville Texas me and her 1838 01:12:34,590 --> 01:12:31,210 father very much in the afterlife but 1839 01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:34,600 sitting there in the kitchen with an old 1840 01:12:40,350 --> 01:12:37,210 telephone one of the old corded handheld 1841 01:12:42,450 --> 01:12:40,360 telephones man and he was sitting there 1842 01:12:43,770 --> 01:12:42,460 talking to me and I was somehow messing 1843 01:12:45,060 --> 01:12:43,780 around with it and fidgeting and doing 1844 01:12:46,830 --> 01:12:45,070 different things and he would say no no 1845 01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:46,840 you got to do it like this change that 1846 01:12:49,410 --> 01:12:48,010 you're not listening to me and I was 1847 01:12:50,910 --> 01:12:49,420 getting frustrated saying like this he'd 1848 01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:50,920 say no go do that so we're having this 1849 01:12:55,410 --> 01:12:54,010 whole conversation well before you get 1850 01:12:57,750 --> 01:12:55,420 mad at me I'm paraphrasing it's a longer 1851 01:12:59,160 --> 01:12:57,760 dream than this but she realized she was 1852 01:13:00,900 --> 01:12:59,170 she said dad you know you passed away 1853 01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:00,910 and he kind of gave her the SH don't if 1854 01:13:04,380 --> 01:13:02,530 you say that I'm gonna be gone sort of 1855 01:13:07,410 --> 01:13:04,390 thing but she thought how strange is 1856 01:13:08,370 --> 01:13:07,420 that that he's in the kitchen with Chris 1857 01:13:11,370 --> 01:13:08,380 and they're messing with an old 1858 01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:11,380 telephone so long story short she called 1859 01:13:13,980 --> 01:13:12,610 me up and she said hey I had this weird 1860 01:13:16,410 --> 01:13:13,990 dream I said did you ever think that 1861 01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:16,420 maybe he might be one of the technicians 1862 01:13:22,350 --> 01:13:20,170 and we kind of laughed about it so a 1863 01:13:25,140 --> 01:13:22,360 couple we're not even a couple of weeks 1864 01:13:27,540 --> 01:13:25,150 of a few days later picture the scenario 1865 01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:27,550 were on our radio show and we decided to 1866 01:13:30,660 --> 01:13:28,960 make the radio show the celebration of 1867 01:13:31,980 --> 01:13:30,670 life for her father so we were gonna 1868 01:13:33,450 --> 01:13:31,990 have all the family call in and talk 1869 01:13:35,100 --> 01:13:33,460 about the amazing experiences they had 1870 01:13:37,860 --> 01:13:35,110 with him and any kind of communications 1871 01:13:39,930 --> 01:13:37,870 and things like that so I was at a farm 1872 01:13:43,530 --> 01:13:39,940 house one of my good friends farm houses 1873 01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:43,540 in Iowa Fairfield Iowa and I'm just 1874 01:13:46,230 --> 01:13:44,650 sitting in their kitchen and I was 1875 01:13:48,270 --> 01:13:46,240 trying to do with her their internet 1876 01:13:50,460 --> 01:13:48,280 that wasn't great trying to do the radio 1877 01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:50,470 show and I had the headset on and they 1878 01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:51,850 said okay well let's go ahead and turn 1879 01:13:54,510 --> 01:13:53,170 on the box and see if we can get a hold 1880 01:13:55,620 --> 01:13:54,520 of Oscar see if he wants to come through 1881 01:13:56,490 --> 01:13:55,630 and talk and all these different things 1882 01:13:58,530 --> 01:13:56,500 I said okay great 1883 01:14:00,690 --> 01:13:58,540 so I took the box out and I turned it on 1884 01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:00,700 technicians assist Oscar you there and 1885 01:14:04,470 --> 01:14:02,530 it was really clouded and it was hard to 1886 01:14:04,890 --> 01:14:04,480 hear and I was like bummer you know this 1887 01:14:07,919 --> 01:14:04,900 is going to be 1888 01:14:10,140 --> 01:14:07,929 for the show so all of a sudden not 1889 01:14:11,970 --> 01:14:10,150 through the box but in my head he 1890 01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:11,980 basically said you've got to plug it in 1891 01:14:19,709 --> 01:14:17,890 dummy and I went what and I realized now 1892 01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:19,719 I'm having this conversation with him on 1893 01:14:23,340 --> 01:14:21,850 the air like we are right now people are 1894 01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:23,350 watching us and I'm having a 1895 01:14:27,780 --> 01:14:25,600 conversation with him in my head what 1896 01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:27,790 are you talking to play no I can't okay 1897 01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:29,770 so I I'll be right back and I put the 1898 01:14:33,570 --> 01:14:32,050 headset down and I went over and got the 1899 01:14:35,100 --> 01:14:33,580 plug plugged it into the wall plugged it 1900 01:14:37,260 --> 01:14:35,110 in set it down on my lap turned it on 1901 01:14:38,939 --> 01:14:37,270 and it has a position on it when it's 1902 01:14:41,669 --> 01:14:38,949 plugged in it has to sit at zero for the 1903 01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:41,679 sweet break and you never do it above 1904 01:14:44,189 --> 01:14:42,610 that because you can't hear anything 1905 01:14:45,870 --> 01:14:44,199 past that point so I turn the machine 1906 01:14:48,419 --> 01:14:45,880 back on sitting at zero and it's not 1907 01:14:50,250 --> 01:14:48,429 doing anything and he goes turn it to 1908 01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:50,260 three and I said Oscar I can't turn it 1909 01:14:54,450 --> 01:14:51,610 to three that's too fast it's not gonna 1910 01:14:56,580 --> 01:14:54,460 work just turn it to three so okay and I 1911 01:14:59,100 --> 01:14:56,590 turned it to three Gary was clear as day 1912 01:15:00,570 --> 01:14:59,110 he's like I told you at work handsome he 1913 01:15:02,100 --> 01:15:00,580 had a whole conversation with dee had a 1914 01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:02,110 whole conversation with the family it 1915 01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:03,850 was a total comedian strongest he's ever 1916 01:15:07,709 --> 01:15:05,650 been and was able to come through as a 1917 01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:07,719 guest on his own show in the celebration 1918 01:15:15,149 --> 01:15:12,130 for life at the end at the end of this 1919 01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:15,159 conversation at the end of this he says 1920 01:15:19,979 --> 01:15:18,010 dad are you a technician and basically a 1921 01:15:21,510 --> 01:15:19,989 long story sir he said yes so we shut 1922 01:15:23,070 --> 01:15:21,520 down and everything else midway through 1923 01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:23,080 the show all of a sudden it dawns on me 1924 01:15:28,649 --> 01:15:25,449 about Dee's dream we're sitting in a 1925 01:15:30,899 --> 01:15:28,659 kitchen in the dream going back and 1926 01:15:33,990 --> 01:15:30,909 forth trying to fix the telephone 1927 01:15:36,750 --> 01:15:34,000 this was the telephone we were actually 1928 01:15:47,550 --> 01:15:36,760 she was for seeing us sitting in the 1929 01:15:50,850 --> 01:15:47,560 kitchen trying to fix the toilets left 1930 01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:50,860 unfortunately Christmas right but I do 1931 01:15:54,979 --> 01:15:53,170 have to ask you because in your book you 1932 01:15:56,820 --> 01:15:54,989 do reference hearing from 1933 01:15:59,459 --> 01:15:56,830 extraterrestrials and it's a different 1934 01:16:01,860 --> 01:15:59,469 kind of communication yes so can you 1935 01:16:03,930 --> 01:16:01,870 talk about that at least to wrap up and 1936 01:16:07,020 --> 01:16:03,940 let people know that this the ghost box 1937 01:16:11,189 --> 01:16:07,030 isn't just for people no no absolutely 1938 01:16:14,100 --> 01:16:11,199 not no you know what we really are on 1939 01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:14,110 this ladder as hard as that is to kind 1940 01:16:19,220 --> 01:16:16,800 of fathom for some people 1941 01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:19,230 they're extraterrestrials you know a lot 1942 01:16:22,729 --> 01:16:21,449 of tons of people see extraterrestrial 1943 01:16:24,169 --> 01:16:22,739 ships they assume that they're coming 1944 01:16:26,089 --> 01:16:24,179 from outer space or whatever the case 1945 01:16:27,290 --> 01:16:26,099 might be but from what I've been able to 1946 01:16:29,330 --> 01:16:27,300 gather from them they move 1947 01:16:30,919 --> 01:16:29,340 interdimensionally and and that's why we 1948 01:16:33,140 --> 01:16:30,929 have no capability of keeping up with 1949 01:16:34,759 --> 01:16:33,150 these things or even understanding 1950 01:16:37,430 --> 01:16:34,769 exactly what they are they they come and 1951 01:16:38,569 --> 01:16:37,440 go with the turn of a light but what's 1952 01:16:40,700 --> 01:16:38,579 interesting to me about that the 1953 01:16:42,529 --> 01:16:40,710 extra-terrestrial aspect of it is is 1954 01:16:44,930 --> 01:16:42,539 that we are just part of a gigantic 1955 01:16:47,569 --> 01:16:44,940 collective neighborhood that's out there 1956 01:16:49,250 --> 01:16:47,579 and I like to say if you looked at a 1957 01:16:51,109 --> 01:16:49,260 ladder we'd be near the bottom rung 1958 01:16:52,819 --> 01:16:51,119 because most of these entities that are 1959 01:16:54,799 --> 01:16:52,829 out there right now are on a much higher 1960 01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:54,809 level and higher understanding that we 1961 01:17:00,680 --> 01:16:57,530 have we're very much in preschool and 1962 01:17:01,790 --> 01:17:00,690 and when it comes down to it you know a 1963 01:17:04,220 --> 01:17:01,800 lot of people say oh you speak to 1964 01:17:06,319 --> 01:17:04,230 extraterrestrials well yes from time to 1965 01:17:10,339 --> 01:17:06,329 time a physical to extra-terrestrial 1966 01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:10,349 maybe but the the extraterrestrials that 1967 01:17:14,930 --> 01:17:13,050 I deal with our in spirit form they go 1968 01:17:17,029 --> 01:17:14,940 through the same dimensional doorways 1969 01:17:18,410 --> 01:17:17,039 that the vortexes that human spirit goes 1970 01:17:21,020 --> 01:17:18,420 through and they're able to communicate 1971 01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:21,030 the same way that the human spirit does 1972 01:17:24,770 --> 01:17:23,130 so we speak to these entities on a 1973 01:17:27,290 --> 01:17:24,780 consistent basis and the information 1974 01:17:30,379 --> 01:17:27,300 that they give us is far more 1975 01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:30,389 interesting than you could ever imagine 1976 01:17:35,060 --> 01:17:32,730 it's just a lot of warnings a lot of 1977 01:17:36,140 --> 01:17:35,070 ideas which ties in I know we only have 1978 01:17:37,959 --> 01:17:36,150 a couple minutes that you want forever 1979 01:17:41,270 --> 01:17:37,969 but the shadow people aspect of things 1980 01:17:42,770 --> 01:17:41,280 yeah the shadow people we don't even 1981 01:17:45,319 --> 01:17:42,780 know what they are we're still trying to 1982 01:17:46,250 --> 01:17:45,329 understand what these entities are and 1983 01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:46,260 these are just the things that we've 1984 01:17:50,930 --> 01:17:47,610 identified at this point these are the 1985 01:17:53,299 --> 01:17:50,940 things that we we know are there there's 1986 01:17:56,299 --> 01:17:53,309 got to be millions of other subspecies 1987 01:17:58,879 --> 01:17:56,309 some souls that are out there that we're 1988 01:18:01,339 --> 01:17:58,889 stuff to learn about absolutely well 1989 01:18:03,379 --> 01:18:01,349 Chris we can't thank you enough this has 1990 01:18:05,209 --> 01:18:03,389 been just one of the best shows ever 1991 01:18:07,549 --> 01:18:05,219 you're terrific guys we've got to have 1992 01:18:09,979 --> 01:18:07,559 you back please promise you'll come back 1993 01:18:12,140 --> 01:18:09,989 and talk to us again about all of these 1994 01:18:14,629 --> 01:18:12,150 other entities ETS etc that you're 1995 01:18:17,419 --> 01:18:14,639 communicating with but again thank you 1996 01:18:19,700 --> 01:18:17,429 so very much so we'll be back next week 1997 01:18:21,950 --> 01:18:19,710 everybody with another terrific show and 1998 01:18:22,979 --> 01:18:21,960 until then we'll see you on the blue 1999 01:18:27,959 --> 01:18:22,989 Highway in 2000 01:18:30,460 --> 01:18:27,969 right right get the gauze box get the